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Eaton Centre Casanovas: So-called “pickup artists” are hitting the mall en masse to try and seduce women

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The 2005 bestselling memoir The Game unmasked the world of pickup artists: self-proclaimed Casanovas obsessed with scoring with hot women—or at least ones insecure enough to fall for strategies like “negging” (backhanded compliments) and “kino” (casual touches that pave the way for later advances). Regrettably, the sub-culture is still alive and well. What’s more, it’s flourishing at the Eaton Centre.

On Reddit and other online forums, dozens of women report being approached while shopping by persistent young guys with oddly rehearsed-sounding pickup lines. It turns out that several PUAs, as they’re known, run paid workshops and events at the mall for socially awkward dudes who are eager to learn how to talk to “targets” (i.e. women). According to one local pickup coach, the mall is “one of the world’s most popular day game locations.”

Since there are so many women in the Eaton Centre you can easily warm up and get yourself into state within 20 minutes. Eaton Centre is therefore a great first stop on your day game iternary. [sic] Do a few approaches there and you can move to other venues which may have less women but better logistics (girls who are stationary).

Among the self-styled players’ pointers for newbies: look for girls walking slowly because they’ll have time to talk; chat up store workers so they don’t kick you out of the mall; don’t forget to check out the food court; and, if all else fails, head to nearby Ryerson University to “meet cute Eastern European girls.” For those dying to witness the awkwardness firsthand, members of an 850-strong group of Toronto PUAs are scheduled to gather at the mall today at 5 p.m. to “beast”—that is, approach as many women as possible on the logic that eventually one will say yes. The event description advises guys to “set your doubts aside for a session filled with fast paced adrenaline pumping approach action!” and even includes testimonials from men who’ve previously coughed up $5 to learn the ropes:

Had issues with escalation and could never get a girl to come out with me on a date. Junaid walked me through the steps he uses to get the lay and guided me on how to use them in my approach. I can happily say I have taken 3 girls out on dates in the past month and even managed to pull one back to my place. Thank you Junaid. I know the best is still to come” – Pablo L from Toronto

Ugh.

  • Meredith Hanafi

    I give a thumbs down to Toronto Life for their coverage of this event. They make it sound more like a funny escapade than the insidious mass ambush that it really is. Also the graphic misses the point entirely – this isn’t a sweet or cute subject! THe red hearts trivialize the subject and disrespect the women who will be harassed while shopping. Poor job TL.

  • photography & food

    Personally, I think matter how rehearsed a guys’s lines are, if he is socially awkward the girl he hits on, might find him a little creepy. That’s just how I view this type of thing

  • Ohsandra

    yuck, humanity has hit a brand new low

  • realpigasus

    Sounds like Dimitri the Lover is strapped for cash again

  • ACMEsalesrep

    The smell of Hai Karate must be overpowering…

  • Maggie Rust

    At least the Eaton Centre is taking it seriously. They’ve tweeted that they’re aware of event, and that they’re prepared to deal with this proposed mandated sexual harassment (because that’s what this is). Harassment is a crime in Canada, and the Eaton Centre is private property. This whole pick-up phenomenon is based on the premise that women are objects, not people. It’s not just taking advantage of women either, it’s also based on the assumption that men are only after “the lay” and not a legitimate human connection. Just awful.

  • MISHAA

    Pablo L is going to give someone you love herpes.

  • Sarah

    Someone tried to pick me up yesterday, but it’s not the first time a guy has tried to pick me up at the EC…

  • Stella Benz

    And posting this on December 6th … Stay classy, TL

  • Max_Taffey

    I would think an ass-kicking or two will be enough to permanently deter this.

  • Guest

    Pickup
    arts are first class scumbags. High school Health class should include a mandatory unit for
    all girls on how to avoid degenerate sleazebags like these pigs. Spotting and negating negs, being aware of kino, whatever. Disgusting.

  • Michael Jursic

    Pickup artists are first class scumbags. High school Health class should include a mandatory unit for all
    girls on how to avoid degenerate sleazebags like these pigs. Spotting
    and negating negs, being aware of kino, whatever. Disgusting.

  • Shawn Thomas

    Nice guys like me always finish last.Girls must like the pic up artist seems to be working.

  • poop

    Wish I was there. Knowing that they are just scamming for a date, I wonder how much I would be able to con the guys into purchasing for me

  • Devils Advocate

    @ Maggie,
    You’re making the assumption that all of the guys who are involved in this thing are intending to commit sexual harassment. Have you ever considered the possibility that most of these guys are just looking to work up their confidence talking to girls in an attempt to get into a relationship. The fact that you’re implying that all that is occurring is sexual harassment is actually offensive to the number of guys who would attend this only to learn to talk to girls, because for whatever they’ve not acquired those skills earlier in life. Yes, socializing is a skill. The nature to your comment-to me at least- implies the generalization of all these men into a category of “PUAs” who only care about picking up women and having sex with them. One more thing sexual harassment, as the word harassment implies is repetitive unwanted sexual advances. So yes I agree, with you if a guy for example lightly touches the shoulder of a girl when talking and eventually starts groping her, I’m 100% with you that unwanted attention should be punished or dealt with. But a playful punch to the shoulder or playful poke to the arm when in a conversation where both people are laughing and enjoying each other’s company doesn’t seem like sexual harassment to me. And remember that this is a social setting, a mall, a food centre, you’re right that perhaps this whole pick up thing is based on the assumption that men are only looking to get laid, but please don’t generalize all these guys to being that type of an individual, its rude and offensive to the majority of guys who just want to have a nice conversation with girls once in a while….

  • Corey Pierce

    The organizer of one of these groups posted over an hour to defend himself and all I can say is “Ick” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RX9YkTFloU

  • MISHAA

    Can’t believe you went through that much effort to defend ” pick up artists ” this isn’t a social confidence group, this is how to get comfortable talking to multiple girls in various settings to increase the chances of getting your dick wet.

  • Lily

    Well the PUA’s are having their “meeting” on December 6th. I wouldn’t blame TL for the timing, moreso thank them for the warning.

  • Theresa Lemieux

    These are the days I’m grateful to be wearing a wedding ring. And does that “negging” crap actually work?

  • Theresa Lemieux

    Well said!

  • MandaLeeK

    Did it ever occur to you that a person’s intentions, however good, don’t justify their actions, or validate a system of behaviour.
    I’m all for men building confidence approaching and speaking to women, however, engaging in that by using a system and philosophy which degrades women, makes petty judgements and generalizations about women, claims a degree of ‘mind-control’ over women (unless of course, they are lesbians or prudes, the only kind of women who are said to be immune to PUA ‘system’) is not an system for self-development and personal growth that should be celebrated.
    Nasty generalizations of women is the very stuff of the PUA philosophy. The philosophy is inherently disrespectful and encourages rudeness. generalizations and casual physical disrespect, and even yes, even crosses the line to encouraging sexual harassment far, far too often.
    Like I said – I’m all for men being taught confidence and how to approach women comfortably AND respectfully, I’m also all for everyone being taught game theory, so they can understand why they feel like the PUA systems work for them and gives them a sense of confidence. I’m also sure some guys try to engage with the PUA writings and teachings without being disrespectful assholes, but you’d have to work really hard, and be exceptionally self-aware and educated on the subject to know what bits need to be rejected outright as disrespectful gender stereotypes and outright manipulation and disrespect, and which parts are helpful advice. The two are just so tied up together in the fucked-up philosophy being peddled by the PUA pros.

  • Devils Advocate

    @MISHHA let me start off by saying this is going to be my last comment since its exam time for me. As girls, you guys might not know what its like to be on the other side of the spectrum. All you have to do is dress up nice and put on makeup and guys will approach you. Realistically as a guy it is a numbers girl. Using a system which improves your skills of building intimacy with a girl is not wrong in my opinion. If people abuse the system, that’s a personal choice, similarly to a choice of a person who manipulates laws to their benefit. If you’re butthurt about the fact that this stuff works, because its based on evolutionary studies then that’s your fault. Accept it, and get over. Or don’t. I really don’t care, the fact that you think guys will use this to get their dicks wet isn’t in any way different from women who use false advertising like makeup to increase their chances of scoring big with a guy they really like is it? Now you might argue that you put on the makeup for yourself. If that really is the case do you put on makeup when you walk around in your home? I highly doubt it. The way I see is that this provides men with an advantage to overcome women’s defense systems against this stuff. If you always want the upperhand too bad for you girl :p. Anyways no hard feelings towards everyone. GL to everyone whatever their goals may be PEACE OUT
    - A tdot boy who dares to speak out… <3

  • OnlyOtherGuyReplying

    You must know a lot about them to make a generalization like that. The skills taught to these people are based on the science of attraction and socialization as a result of evolution. You can even study these in neuroscience and psychology courses. It may seem like false advertising because people are using lines or whatever to make this work, but then again so is putting on make up if your going to look at it like that. Should a girl putting on make up be seen as a form of false advertising and bashed on because she’s trying to make herself more attractive and confident? This is all this is for, to initiate an interaction for those guys who lack the social skills and confidence. For these guys especially, a system allows them to make an excuse that this will work so that they can have the confidence to approach.Some guys may abuse this system, but then again there are girls who abuse using make up and their appearance to marry for money. Thus its all dependant on the person and how they use it. You only make yourself look bad with such generalizations and use of words which honestly makes me think that your so mad because you don’t like admitting that the system can or has worked on you.

  • MISHAA

    I AM A GUY

  • MISHAA

    Man, being self confident isn’t about knowing how to manipulate women, yes it works, but that doesn’t make a guy anything but a scumbag and a poser sociopath. GOOD FOR YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT, BRO

  • OnlyOtherGuyReplying

    lol brooo, but like theres guys who PRETEND to be assholes to get girls. like what are u talking about, this is the same thing but it allows you to be yourself and incorporate some scientific concepts. Some guys believe or not need to this to start hitting on girls. not everyone be as ballsy as you. and btw since your a guy i have no choice but to do this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_Y3_eRfOU

  • MISHAA

    The underlying issue is that these guys are practicing on people who are not part of the program in an environment that does not invite it whatsoever.

    and I am not a girl, so you can stop with the “you’re just mad because it worked ” nonsense. I know it works, manipulating people is what advertising is, genius.

  • MISHAA

    There is a plethora of self improvement courses around Toronto that don’t involve unsuspecting participants and don’t have a pretense of ‘getting girls’

  • lingling

    I just moved to Toronto over the summer and had this happen to me at the Eaton Centre recently – I thought it was kind of bizarre at the time, but brushed it off.

    The young guy who approached me was very much overly-persistent, but it wasn’t harassment by any means, and I wasn’t offended despite him very obviously looking to hook up. I did tell him that I’d only be willing to go for coffee sometime and chat as friends because I am in a relationship, but he seemed disinterested. “It’s unfortunate that you’re not single” was his reply and continued to be persistent about trying to drive me somewhere to hang out with his friends that evening. So, it didn’t seem like he wanted to hang out and just be friends (option I gave him at the time). I kind of got the impression he was only looking to hook up, which is fine, but obviously just wasn’t going to work.

    It’s possible that he was part of a thing where he was paid to approach girls, and it may have also been possible that he was looking to just chat and network. Maybe I was trolled! But from what happened, the latter seems less of a possibility, and in the end I kind of had to be blunt with him, which worked well. I know that being direct can be tough for a lot of girls though, which may also be why things like this drag on for a lot longer than they should and are labelled as “harassment”, but it’s very much case by case. And I’d agree that being harassed (sexually, at least) in the middle of the Eaton Center where there are lots of people is probably not very likely.

  • wayward

    Holy crap…a very vocal uptight bunch of women and white knighters. Lack of sex makes people raving looneys. At least these guys (mind you, with 800 guys doing the same thing, it’s not exactly a smart move competitively) are trying to improve themselves with something other than screaming from the tops of their keyboards. If a guy verbally harasses you, learn to defend yourself instead of whining. In London, England I watched a 23 year old shoot down an older man who was verbally harassing her. Respect. One of these days your umbilical cord will be cut, and then what will you do?

  • Karl

    LOL. LOL. LOL!!! Why is it considered harassment when a man does it to a women but when a women does it, its okay? Typical feminist response, blowing up something from nothing. EVERYONE IS OBJECTIFIED. When you go into a store and ask the clerk to help you with clothing, you are objectifying that person as someone that can help you with clothing. You are treating them as a clothing assistant object. At least that’s what it would be under your logic. And this comes down to looks as well. If some stud approached you, you would not give a fuck if he was touching you because you would enjoy it. It has nothing to do with being “objectified”, it is that the person approaching you wasn’t attractive. Basically your creating the notion that talking to women is considered sexual assault, which is part of the feminist agenda.

    Male and females all have the same instincts. They want to have sex with people they find attractive. The only difference is that males are socially conditioned to do the initiating while women just sit back and do nothing. If a female wanted sex from some hot guy, would you bash her and tell her she is objectifying someone? According your logic, I have been harassed over 40-50 times.

  • Karl

    So talking and meeting girls is begin a scumbag? Stupid logic, like everyone else posting here. What people don’t get is that it is human nature to feel attraction towards someone and want to talk to them. I talk to girls all the time and don’t touch them aggressively. And I have touched girls on the arm and hands because I could tell they were very attracted to me. The problem is that most males cannot tell if a female is very attracted physical.

  • Cin

    First off all Maggie you have no idea what PUA is with your ignorant comment. I met my boyfriend because he was a super shy, social anxiety, never had talked to a girl in his life. He one day approached me and we just hit it off from that day on and got married. I push him to continue to promote pua and meetings and to go to these eaton center meetups because it helps him as a human, a man, and personality. It is not the same as some psychologist trying to help him one on one this is in the action and experiencing getting better and feeling good about one self. How hard is it for a girl to say “sorry I am not interested“ Or Hi nice meeting you I have to go now. no instead girls have this big ego where they have no self confidence to even speak to someone.. There will be more PUA meetings from what my husband told me so you cant stop it and more and more males are getting into it..

  • Cin

    Toronto Life this has to be the most biased article ever written, now I know why you guys have gotten such bad press in the world. You write junk like this.. EDUCATE and WRITE

  • godwin

    First, for any young male in the city of Toronto to pay somebody to teach them to pick up women is a fool.

    Secondly, when I was younger the Eaton Ctr. was the place to pick up women/girls or whoever was willing to listen to your line, game or lyrics.

    The bottom line women are beautiful and as the older they get the more sexier they become. Sorry! There is nothing more sexier than a well put together women. I guess it maybe a form of sexual harassment only because these so called PUA’s are not ready for the task of talking to real women on a intelligent level. Eventually they will learn what it takes to carry a conversation and to touch their happy spot, so women don’t be insulted because if these PUA’s are hitting on you therefore you must look good.

  • Tom Dane

    Not true. Many are in it to meet potential girlfriends. Sure as hell no woman in TO is going to approach a man, so what are the men supposed to do ?

  • Tom Dane

    White Knighting never got anyone laid.

  • kaj

    Woman aren’t practice dummies that exist so u can refine your own social anxiety. How about trying um Talking to a woman like a human being w genuine connection and not just reiterating generic and shallow pick-up lines w the hope that maybe if you say the right combination of things that you will win the prize of sex. Also, It is one thing to be shy or a nervous speaker, but when that anxiety exists in relation to only Specific types of people (e.g women) it really shows you fail to view that group as people. Whether that be by degrading or idolizing, both are equally isolating to not just whoever your “target” is, but even more so to yourself . If you can talk to a stranger who is a male but not to a stranger that is a female than you should really dig deep and reflect on why that is. We are all people who have specific tastes and preferences and to group All women together and state broad generalizations is ridiculous. Overall, this is a really gross practice and it makes me sad.

  • Tom Dane

    Well guys of TO just forget these women. Move to South East Asia or South America. Forget about these entitled arrogant women, who deem you not even worthy for something as basic as eye contact. Forget it, get out, don’t waste your life there.
    Let the feminist and stuck up women with their useless paperpushing jobs in HR department have TO all for themselves. Together with their cats (I like cats btw).

  • Kay

    Key word “attractive”… if you enjoy someone’s advances, it isn’t harassment. The difference is literally whether the advances are unwanted or not, so I’m not sure what point you think you are making. Nothing wrong with hitting on someone, but if they don’t reciprocate, end of. That’s one of the problems with the whole PUA thing, guys are told to be persistent (i.e. harass). Secondly, women aren’t there to be test subjects or something. It encourages the notion of dating being some kind of game or conquest, instead of simple human interaction. PUAs aren’t treating women as individuals, they’re applying a blanket approach to fit half the people in the world. So yeah, it’s unhelpful and insulting.
    If it’s someone’s job to help you with clothing, of course you expect them to do so. Are you suggesting it’s a woman’s job to hang around waiting to be hit on? Unlike an employee, they have no obligation to provide you a service or be nice to you.

  • Arronski

    They should give up and rely on OKCupid and Tindr like everyone else.

  • Karl

    Lol. You just read what you wanted to read. Typical feminist BS garbage. How can I take you seriously? When did I say I ONLY talk to women. I said I go up and talk to girls all the time. Did I say I don’t talk to males, just women? READING WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR DISTORTED FILTERS ON. Take them off for a second and re-read what I said. Did I ever say I used pick up lines? Did I say I “targeted” women. Nothing is wrong with going up to females and talking to them, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID I DID. And if they were very attracted to me, I built even more attraction.

  • Karl

    No. But males are expected to approach females instead of vice-versa. And yes, I agree that if a girl does not like you not to be aggressive. But nothing is wrong with going around and talking to females that you like. As long as you are not physically or psychologically abusing, which is what PUAs do. But people posting here are acting as if it is sexual harassment to go up to a girl and talk to her if you like her.

  • CommenterPerson

    I thought this was easily the fairest treatment of the whole subject and possibly the only reasonable reply in the whole section

  • Michael Jursic

    No, neither of these is problematic in isolation. Being a pickup artist IS problematic, though, on a whole range of levels. If you are a pickup artist, you are a scumbag. Pure and simple.And my daughters should be warned about creeps like you, and the techniques you use and taught how to stay away.

  • Michael Jursic

    You are defending the practices pickup artists use. What should this tell me about you? One thing for sure–that I wouldn’t want my daughter anywhere near you.

  • Jon

    PUA is here to stay

  • Michael Jursic

    “Respect.” Nice. I read the book, “The Game,” and it was him who coined that phrase. You must have read it too. Pickup artists are scumbag misogynists. Period.

  • Michael Jursic

    Sadly it seems to be working. Otherwise, no meetups like this one in the Eaton Centre.

  • Jon

    Sad. Misguided. Ignorant.

    I pray no pua ever has to approach you. For fear that you may seduce him into believing your bullshit logic.

  • Jon

    the feminists may plague you but you relay the truth & this is admirable

  • Jon

    give up & rely on those websites because guys like you don’t have the balls to have a normal conversation with a girl?

    No thanks, I have enough to eat at home

  • Ryebread

    “and continued to be persistent about trying to drive me somewhere to hang out with his friends”

    It’s good that you didn’t go. His main goal there was getting you on your own so you would be more vulnerable to his approaches (and have less opportunity to leave). The main impression I’m getting from these guys are constant constant pressure and maneuvering women into situations where they feel less safe and more likely to agree with what he wants.

    I advise letting your friends know and, even though it’s obvious, not to go anywhere alone with strange men.

  • Jon

    “it wasn’t harassment by any means, and I wasn’t offended despite him very obviously looking to hook up”

  • Ryebread

    It works on a particular kind of women, i.e. the emotionally-vulnerable and pliable. This whole PUA thing is essentially just them going through the population for these specific types.

  • Karl

    No. First off, I’m arguing against some of the stupid logic on this forum. Some people think talking with women is equivalent to assault. Also, if a girl is sexually attracted to me, I have NO problem making forward physicals towards her. So tell me how that is a problem? Its called human nature. When people like each other, they are physical. Whether in public or isolation. Women are just as horny as males and some like being touched right off the bat so if she likes me and is physical I will be physical back. Also, funny how this is not a problem when the guy is attractive. This has NOTHING to do with gender or treating women like objects. It has all to do with ATTRACTION. If a female is physically attracted to a guy, he can do just about anything (not violent obviously) and she will be receptive to him. Just like if a like a girl, she can grab me all she wants or be a goof and I wouldn’t care.

    Guy I don’t like approach me = all men are creeps
    Attractive guy approaches me = no problem

    Problem is “PUAS” don’t know how to read if a girl is physical attracted to them.

  • Jon

    And the road to crazy cat lady who smells like piss begins

  • Max_Taffey

    You seem to have comprehension problems. No one is arguing about mutual physical attraction. The practice of hanging around malls, targeting attractive women, who may or may not be single, and who don’t appreciate being bothered is the topic here. Men who do that are the definition of douche bags. We’re not talking about anything else. Clear now?

  • Max_Taffey

    Not talking about “white knighting”. I’m thinking more about a situation where a couple are at the mall together, but at different stores. Cheeseball harasses the woman, assuming she’s single and alone. She finds husband, points out the loser, and the loser ends up with a broken nose.

  • Filipe Almeida

    Don’t worry I doubt anybody will approaching you Meredith, usually they only go for hot women.

  • Wayward

    Congrats you read a book. You think that a single word was coined in a book? Aretha Franklin sang about it long before that. So are you just trolling or are you a misandrist…a self hating man?

  • Wayward

    It’s just playful teasing as potential romantic partners do in their dance on the way to intimacy.

  • Wayward

    “and who don’t appreciate being bothered is the topic here” I think your problem is in this line here. You see your interaction with a female as bothering her. Then you are projecting your state onto other people. You think you have such low value and worth that you telling a few girls at a mall they are cute negatively impacts their life?

  • Wayward

    High school health class should also be taught to raise men’s self esteem enough so they don’t become self hating misandrists like yourself and that white knighting women only works in Disney movies.

  • Wayward

    Tell your daughters that and watch them run right into a PUAs arms…you clearly have no idea how women work.

  • Wayward

    oh no! Then you shouldn’t ever talk to a girl again just in case that happens. Remember…STAY AWAY from women you could get killed!

  • Tom Dane

    Yah or the husband gets a broken nose. OR everyone gets killed because they had guns. So lets not talk to women anymore.

  • Tom Dane

    How did you think the “husband” found his wife ? by not talking to her ?

  • Arronski

    Was joking, point of the joke being: everyone either makes fun of this or is outraged by it, yet seemingly everyone in this city does online dating without realizing it’s just as losery.

  • http://heatherjli.tumblr.com/ Heather Li

    Sigh, TL — it’s “hitting the mall en masse to try TO seduce women”…

  • Max_Taffey

    Probably not by harassing her in a mall.

  • Max_Taffey

    Or, how about talk to women in a social setting where everyone knows the rules and expectations, rather than creeping them out by sidling up to them unexpectedly like a greasy dbag? That seems to have worked out okay for most normal people.

  • Tom Dane

    So talking to someone is now harasment ?

  • Tom Dane

    Ur the typical white knight mangina beta orbitter. Take the red pill.

  • Max_Taffey

    Judging by the comments you’ve made here and elsewhere, you seem like an angry, frustrated, impotent, woman-hating dick. Mommy issues?

  • Tom Dane

    Just take the Red Pill and shut up. I’m tired of your beta-shit

  • ModernPuA

    You guys have a very wrong perspective about Pick Up and PuAs. All these come from wrong sources such as years old book like The Game.

    Pick Up has evolved big time since then. If you visit a forum like RSD for instance you will notice topics discussing stuff such as health, fitness, self development, science, business, foreign languages and what not. Occasionally there are typical sad virgin topics where the responses are “Man up”, or just a something encouraging.

    Pick up is not only seducing woman, but a lifestyle – creative, proactive, healthy, helping young man develope an order in their life.

    I will give you an example with me. Until 22 and even nowadays I am addicted to gaming. I have been professional gaming for 7 years. At 22 I realized I am fat, unattractive with no skills on whatsoever but gaming, a university drop out. Pick has helped me to be what I am now – healthy, confident, a manager of a decent company, attractive man, who is about to graduate college :) That is a big change for 5 years and I would like to thank the pick up community for it.

    So do not judge the pick up community I think soon or later it will evolve to a degree where it will be like a science or something a man should learn to do.

  • ModernPuA

    And I do not think I am a womanizer. I have slept with less than 10 girls. Most of them within a healthy relationship. Only 2 of them with as a 1 night lay – and one of them gave me HPV as a present. I would say a slutty girl who actually seduced me, not me – her.

  • Kay

    Maybe if you knew anything at all about FEMINISTS LOLOL you would understand why males are “expected” to approach. Perhaps if there wasn’t that onus on them in the first place, this PUA nonsense would not exist.
    Where has anyone said talking to someone is sexual harassment? Persistently trying to talk to someone who is not interested and uncomfortable is harassment (not sexual). And as this article is about PUAs and you’ve just admitted that that practically by definition involves harassment, I’m not sure what you’re saying.
    Anyway, I think a lot of people simply are disgusted by the idea of the whole PUA thing. There’s no way to do it without objectifying, dehumanising, and harassing women.

  • Kay

    Cin, I appreciate your personal experience, but I would first want to know more about this social anxiety? Was it across the board or only with girls, and if the latter, why? You talk about his improved self-confidence but again, I have to wonder at that being tied to something like how many girls with whom he can successfully interact.
    I get that men feel pressure to be the initiators and not all of them are comfortable with that role. That pressure should not exist at all. However, accepting that it unfortunately does, I still think the PUA method just makes the problem worse.
    As for girls with ego, of course some girls are plain rude. That said, in my personal experience, a polite brush-off does not usually work, and I would imagine if someone is trying to “pick up” a girl, it probably wouldn’t dissuade them.

  • codenamered

    You don’t feel worthy enough to go talk to a girl who may or may not be single. No one is approaching and using pick up lines on a girl. You are approaching a girl who you think is adorable and telling her that. Basic human nature. Forget about pick up lines. If she is interested in you, she stays and talks if she is not, she says she is not interested or won’t even respond to you. And you move on. I don’t see what the big deal here is. She is happy that someone thought she is adorable. Why are you even talking here, men like you are the reason why this whole society is fucked up. Pussification of men! If you are ever in a street car, bus look around. Everyone is busy staring at their cell phone screen, ipods. No one is social, fake smiles at work, fake smiles everywhere. If you see a cute girl at starbucks that you are attracted to, the least you can do is walk up to her and say hi to her. If this is called harrassing her, then go fuck yourself. Look at craigslist missed connection, posted by women. All the ads written by women, why didn’t you say hi to me, we had an eye contact at street here in certain location, i saw you at the starbucks, you could have said hi, i was too shy to make the first approach. You are stuck up with the distorted image that PUAs use negs, run game on a girl, harrass her. Wrong!! It was back in the days. These days all you have to do is, get yourself to go introduce yourself to a girl that you find attractive, if she likes you she talks, if not you walk away. No harm done. My friend met her husband at Dundas square, who approached her…She was american, she decided to come back to Canada because of how much she liked him, his confidence, and they are married and have kids now. Get over yourself. Stop thinking “you are protecting women” You are a typical beta male who probably has a wife that sleeps around and you are playing a provider role because you probably married the first girl who touched you.

  • Max_Taffey

    Couple of things to think about. First it’s the women who were getting hit on by idiots like you who complained, and have caused Eaton Centre to take action. What does that tell you, pea-brain?
    Second, this “beta” crap, by which I assume you think you are a real “alpha” man’s man? Keep fooling yourself, chump. Believe me, I don’t need to spend hours hanging out at a mall, desperately hoping to meet women.

  • codenamered

    hahaha!! CLEARLY! Have you ever been touched by a woman?

  • codenamered

    hahaha that is awesome dude! !!

  • codenamered

    you sound like an over weight feminist that was never approached by men. Do you also work in accounts receivable lol

  • codenamered

    Haha white Knighting! If you do a DNA test I bet youd find out your daughter is not yours. If you think I’m kidding, go ahead, find out.

  • Sally Strange

    Adorable PUAs think that people dislike them because they’re misunderstood. No dudes. You’re easy to understand. It’s because people understand you that they reject you and your tactics.

  • Sally Strange

    Totally. Their manipulation tactics are completely transparent once you know what to look for.

  • Sally Strange

    Funny how you assume that the ass-kicking would never be done by the “targets.” Says a lot about you.

  • Sally Strange

    So lets not talk to women anymore.

    Excellent advice for any self-identified PUA to follow.

  • Author Alan Roger Currie

    A most interesting article and discussion thread indeed . . .

  • ModernPuA

    Sheep thinking. Manipulative wording and aggressive attitude. And you call guys, that are actually trying to improve themselves scumbags? You try to tell me, I am using techniques to seduce woman and I am a scumbag? Watch your wording in a linguistic point of view the small sentence “pure and simple” is very manipulative wording choice. It says if you do not agree with me, you are a scumbag. This is the sheep thinking.

    I am not manipulative when talking to a girl. In fact using lines and manipulative wording from NLP has been laughed at from the PuAs. Why would you as an improving individual use techniques? That is a not enough mind set. Instead most of us are trying to get into “I am enough” mindset. And trust me if you would like to – most of the PuAs I have met in the community are amazing individuals who have great values and some discipline. Most of the girls would automatically like to hang out with such guys.

    Everyone has his begining period where he … well sucks. But after all that is pick up starting from somewhere to get a better individual and feel enough for the world and the ladies out there.

  • Jon

    some of your best friends have probably slept with a “misunderstood” PUA

  • Tom Dane

    Yea, it’s ok fora girl to beat up a man just because he tries to talks to her, Right. Says a lot about you.
    Btw, if you ever tried that with me, I would straighten you weak female ass out.

  • Tom Dane

    Lol, how would you get your daily fix of attention if no man approached you anymore. ?

  • Boris

    Bars and nightclubs are private property. Would you advocate banning guys talking to girls (sexual harassment) from these venues too?

  • Maggie Rust

    The lothario in question was charging his dupes $5 a head for his “expertise” in picking up women. The Eaton Centre has a policy against soliciting, which that is. And I challenge you to find a bar or restaurant owner who’d be cool with someone charging for a service in their establishment and not cutting in the owner. There are lots of legit dating services that throw together singles-ready-to-mingle in no-expectations speed dating settings. The difference is that they get the permission of the business owner first before setting up shop. As well, those in attendance understand the end game rather than being there to get their aunt a bath set for Christmas.

    I’m certainly not against men talking to women — regardless of the setting. What I am against is repeated, manipulative techniques that remove a woman’s humanity from the equation. Women aren’t ‘sets’ and the end game should be a connection, not ‘the lay.’

    I’m not sure how many of you actually read Neil Strauss’ The Game but those who quote it as bible tend to neglect the last crucial chapter in which our anti-hero illustrates the fatal flaw of the PUA: that these techniques are meant to game women, not to cultivate deep, meaningful and lasting relationships with interesting people.

    Without reading too much into it, it seems to me that the practice of PUA is all for the benefit of men and building their self-esteem. And I have no problem with that, except for the fact that their self-esteem is built upon manipulating women. You don’t get to build yourself up by breaking someone else down. That, my friend, I have a problem with.

  • tartar

    Why should a girl have to learn to defend herself from verbal harassment? Why can’t we just teach the guys NOT TO VERBALLY HARASS?

  • Batman

    Whatever it takes to get over your social anxiety, I guess. To the haters: these guys have low self esteem and need to be in a social setting to ever have a chance to meet women.

  • Tom Primeau

    It’s fiiine, little do the pick up artists know that once the pickup lines end the interview begins. That’s where the toronto ladies thrive…” Do you own your own house?…what do you do for a living?….whats your portfolio look like?….how much are you worth?..” No pickup lines in the world will get a loser past the discerning toronto serial dater.

  • Mario
  • Mario

    Check out RSD Nation :)

  • RBeezy

    Pathetic. Who are these socially inept losers?

  • RBeezy

    How strong can his esteem be if he has to have you speak for him?

  • Jon

    Who cares?

  • New York

    It was interesting to read the comments. I meet girls in the mall. It isnt meant to be rude though. I appreciate learning that it can be unexpected, but at the same time something that can explain men going to places like malls is that it is anonymous so if things dont go well they wont be as afraid.

    I’ll continue to explain my perspective as someone who learns about “game” after this but.. I think a question for the people who feel like it isnt normal would be. Why are these people doing it? Like meeting people in these alternative ways instead of in other settings? Maybe they need your help instead?

    Im not sure about what someone said that women being test dummies. I think I mean well when i speak to them. It does give you more experience to talk but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want to actually enjoy talking to them too. But I do feel like what you said was a good argument.

    As a guy who does what people like us call “cold approach” its more about facing your fears, not being complacent. Im trying not to be argumentative but is there a rule that meeting people at random is bad? At the same time i think i understand why people think this. We naturally dont trust people we dont know. So if we meet a stranger (still a stranger) in a class we think its ok because we have a reason to trust them. But they might still be the same as a person we meet randomly. So maybe its something we just arent used to?

    Someone also said that our intentions dont make up for what harm we could be doing. I thought that was interesting. Maybe its just something we dont like but have to deal with? I mean having someone reach out to us that we arent interested in. I can see how it could be frustrating to have a lot of people approach you that you dont want to know.

    At the same time though an interesting example of persistance is in the movie the notebook. Ryan Gosling’s character, introduces himself to her and persists. So persistance can also be romantic and really mean the guy cares. (I know that its not always done this way – some persistance can be bad because a guy doesnt know what he is doing maybe or is unpleasant – we all have to deal with unpleasant people in life though. I am opening up to the fact that this is harder for women if it happens a lot though) So anyway.. Ryan Gosling climbs a ferris wheel even though the girl he likes is ignoring him..

    In a way i think this indicates that its possible, even though a girl doesnt want to talk to a stranger maybe they would like them if they did know each other. I think its a practical matter of people trusting each other.

    As guys who are socially inept or depressed it is really hard though as well. Whether its justified or not they are really just wanting human connection – sexual or emotional and spiritual. What could be seen as sad is that some people dont know what they want. Sex or a relationship? or in between?

    Men just dont know any better in any case of your opinion on this. Everyone means well on some level.

    Meet girls spontaneously like this also is scary for guy, and facing fears like this makes them more secure because of it. Its also fun for guys. They really scared then finally say “Hey I thought you were and had to come meet you” Its a surge of self acceptance and facing your emotions – its an informal exposure therapy.

    I would be interested to hear what people meant by rules and expectations of social settings more specifically. From the perspective of guys who meet girls at random the rules are just rules, and just made up because people say they are the right thing to do rather than having an important purpose.

    Its frustrating for guys who cold approach as well because they are really putting themselves out there, not wanting to bother the girl and then (i am assuming) because its so random (and they cant present themselves that greatly right away) girls arent interesed or more particularly assume the guy ONLY wants sex. This happens in bars too. And that hurtful to men too. Being honest and I dont think people realize it.

    Men approach like crazy because nothing else is working. Girls think they just want sex, and sometimes they really do but if they assume it and block men out then they block out getting to know them too.

    I am not saying these are the only important factors in this just that these are involved too :)

    So it can be hurtful that girls shut down men easily as well and could be seen as objectifying.

    When a man meets a girl he doesnt know and directly says “I thought you looked amazing, I wanted to meet you, my name is blank, how are you?” He is also being really honest i think, in that he isnt starting a conversation about something else, he is letting her know what he is thinking or feeling. Could that indicate integrity?

    But I guess what can come up is fear from the girl because he is a stranger, OR he wasnt confident while doing it. In the “success with women” community as some have tried to rename it, we think about these things deeply. That if he wasnt confident, or something to do with the emotions of the situation, it will seem unappealing. Confidence in the man, comforts the women (would you agree?) (if it feels appropriate to the situation) Its very subtle emotions in these situations.

    Another point is that we are seeing sex as bad. In a sense people are free to have sex.Some women may want to just have fun too.

    Something that is key to know about cold approach is that it gives men a lot of freedom! They love it because they can meet a girl, or people in general anywhere they want. They go from fear to freedom and this feels good to them. They dont only have to meet people at exact times when its considered okay to meet people. They may have a social life they want to improve and now they are able to go meet anyone at anytime if they feel good enough.

    That is a big reason for why it is done. (Simultaneously its a good point that was raised about meeting people in regular social settings) Though I think some people are not even sure when those are either! So maybe they need help in that way. They may be scared in class too, or in a bar, and it feels the same to them as the mall does. So do it in the mall so they can escape if things go bad. When is it okay and how are we to socialize? – this I think is a big drive to “success with women” community, because there are people there actually talking about it.

    As far as it being manipulative. Some of the other guys who like game have alluded to what i will say. Basically within this world of people who study How to Socialize, there are some who believe in memorized things to say. Others focus on enjoying emotions while with women. Being able to have fun and offer them a good time with you. The former has reasons for the underpinnings of what a person says; means. (unconsciously or otherwise)

    So some men think about it more logically and this indicates more of a tactic. I guess having fun can be mispercieved by MEN as tactics too though. Its not at least seen as a tactic a lot of the time though. Not meant to be. Like being confident, funny, and present with women I dont think would be called tactics.

    They are told to us but I dont think thats the same as saying everywomen wants the same thing or is the same. Though I admit you may have a point anyway.

    By the way, MOST men who are into Pick up or meeting girls randomly are not good at it. So even though they may be intellectual scumbags a lot are not really wreaking havoc in the real world.

    I personally consider myself to have more integrity than some other men who are not into “the game” or thinking about meeting women because I am not willing to lie. Yet i am practicing meeting girls for fun. I have heard other guys say they were on sports teams so a girl would like them. The ideal of this instead is be a better person For women, and to understand women better to give them what they want.

    Practicing probably sounds bad but its practicing social skill with women in particular because its believed that the interactions between a man and a woman are different.

    A lot of pick is about sex though. I dont want to trick anyone though, I just want to be able to have myself and a girl have a good time, and at some point have sex. Because a lot of people want sex. In a way you could understand this as an idealism, the men doing cold approach have decided its possible to have a lot of sex. I think everyone wants sex bad at some point and they are acting on that desire instead of letting it go.

    This could lead to female objectification, this is true. But that doesnt mean we dont want to love women too. It depends on the person doing all of this too. But respecting women and wanting sex dont have to be exclusive from each other no?

    I know people would disagree because its sex without spending alot of time with a woman but as long as we arent misleading them to have it, it doesnt mean we hate them. Correct me if I am wrong.

    God Bless and thanks for your insights,
    Anthony

  • puggsley

    Mishaa. Not part of the program? Can I be reminded which program you’re speaking of.. Does not invite it whatsoever? Excuse me but last time I checked if you ask married couples where you meet I’m sure you’ll get answers all over the place malls, night clubs, libraries, subways, church anywhere is possible. Mishaa you’re living in a world of many disabilities stopping you from meeting people. When in the REAL WORLD you can meet people anywhere all you have to do is have the confidence not be scared to approach. In my shoes I can meet anyone and not be soo restricted to who’m I meet.
    Yes it is what advertising does. Obviously you’ve never taken a course on interpersonal communication nor sociology. My friend we live in a very the word is ATTENTION DEFICITE WORLD. All because of technology. If you don’t believe me ask your grandparents if the world was much different when they were younger. And you can blame on technology and go hide in a hole. Or you can open options for yourself. It’s your choice. If you need more great advice youtube simplepickup

  • puggsley

    I agree with you on the persistent party. But I believe security and police should know better what harassment really is there are so many times they assume a girl knows what it is. This is becoming abusive. They should start asking the girl more questions as to what did he do and/or say?

  • puggsley

    Let’s look at this logically if you had only 1 test to become whatever it is you wanted wouldn’t you study hard for it. Same applies here.. If you want success with woman you have to treat every interaction and date not so serious more of like what to learn from this. That is what PUA’s are trying to teach they don’t people to go home and shrivel up in a ball and hide from the world. They teach perseverance. When you say TEST SUBJECTS you’re referring to people learning from the approach and from the dates. Because that’s what people should be doing. I mean if you want people to not learn from things and keep doing the same thing wrong over and over again. then okay. For example they encourage guys to smile when they approach. Ever herd the saying smiles are contagious. That’s where this comes into play. Also eye contact, this is also very key. One thing I do that is an interaction is during exam time if I get a girls number before I leave I say hugs for exams and 9.9/10 times they come in for a hug. But it’s a matter of being confident about it. It’s like trying to convince someone to go out to do anything there’s a much less chance of it working if you don’t believe in yourself and what you’re saying. AND I AM SORRY BUT IF I WERE A GIRL AND GUYS CAME UP TO ME AND CALLED ME CUTE IT WOULD ONLY BRIGHTEN UP MY DAY I DONT CARE IF THERES MULTIPLE GUYS SAYING IT OR NOT. Think why would a guy come up to you and say something if he wasn’t genuine when there are sooooo many more girls around you. and in a mall or school or where it may be… If you’re not interested in him in any way just tell him im sorry im not interested. And that’s it. No one teaches a guy to stop her after that. IF THEY DID IM PRETTY SURE YOUTUBE WOULD’VE FLAGGED IT..

  • puggsley

    I never finished reading the game I’m more of a doer instead of a thinker now. What you have to understand is why do people put gorgeous girls at car shows why do they let girls in for free at night clubs. If you’ve ever gone to a night club then I’m sorry I think there’s something wrong with your noggin. The whole reason why they let you in for free is to get more guys in and then a lot of people complain why there’s all these men in there. THE REASON WHY I SAY THIS, IS DID YOU EVER PERHAPS THINK THAT NEIL STRAUSS IS SELLING A BOOK, AND HE SEES THERES A LOT MORE MEN OUT THERE LOOKING TO GET LAID INSTEAD OF NOT. SO HE WRITES THAT IN AS A HOOK TO GET MEN BUYING THE BOOK. That’s marketing m’dear. As for thinking about pick up artists as this or that. I’ve trained a friend of mine to approach girls and he was very limited to who he met just like anyone who doesn’t approach is… Never mind being able to confess to a girl he likes he likes her. And I’m going to train more of my friends, and everyone of them is just looking for a relationship with a fun nice girl of whom there attracted to. Online dating and all these other places people mention are also limitations to meeting people. This is the only way to be limitless. For example if I go to another country and approach girls I can expect to meet a some woman to hang out with perhaps fall in love with who knows what may or may not happen. But would you rather me go there and start asking people what’s the best online dating site in this country where are there any blind dating get together for singles.. That’s for people who don’t have confidence to approach woman. If people feel they’re being broken down then they some serious self confidence issues that were already an issue before any PUA approached them.

  • puggsley

    That isn’t creepy, what is creepy is when guys can’t approach and keep looking at a girl walk away then come back and look at her some more.. Now that’s creepy.. What’s not creepy is a guy who approaches a girl and she rejects him lets say.. He walks away end of story.. He won’t care because he’s not scarred to approach because he knows there are girls that will say yes..

  • puggsley

    budy lol what are you saying all because she’s a girl and his girlfriend she doesn’t have an opinion and cant express it..

  • puggsley

    YOU LITTERALLY DON’T KNOW A THING AS TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. First off why are guys like this.. Did you know that estrogen is being pumped into our chickens and animals to make their breasts bigger.. Did you ever think that this could have an impact on men as well.. That was my first take on this as a child.. Maybe this could something to do with it.. But an even bigger issue I’d say is not that. I’d say it has more to do with parents spoiling their children with toys with games being all strict about them going outside and meeting people and interacting with people until they are a certain age. I think being locked up has a lot to do with it. In fact I remember the parents that my parents would say weren’t good parents were the 1s who were let out. This were the kids going out on dates being all social.. I used to think this also plays a part in it. Also if you too interpersonal communication in school you would learn about the attention deficit world we live in. And as to why people have a problem being a good listener, which is key in a mans role in a conversation with a woman in order to build further attraction. This is a form of seduction, in other words it’s a non-verbal way of building attraction. Would you rather guys and girls not care about someone’s personality and only go for looks.. If so the things guys would do would be looking the best they can. But we are all human and with our interactions there’s looks and personality. I personally used all shy girls boring because they don’t speak what’s they think instead they just think it. Approaching makes you more of a doer it gets you doing the 1 think that you think of doing but never do which is talking to a cute girl. ANYWAYS IM GOING TO MOVE ONTO THE NEXT COMMENTS BECAUSE I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS..

  • puggsley

    BROO LOL YOUR A FUNNY GUY! Just look at it like this in the end people are going to like you and some wont just like with celebrities some will them some wont.. AND THESE ARE FAMOUS PEOPLE. I know you were kidding. But at the same time proving good idea for some. But we shouldn’t all move over there all because some people can’t see the REAL WORLD.

  • puggsley

    VERBALLY HARASS? May you in lighten me what is in your eyes? Because this word I’ve seen used in soo many contexts that weren’t the slightest bit harassment

  • Guest

    BROO I LOVE YOU MAN YOU’RE AWESOME! SET EM STRAIGHT

  • puggsley

    BROO I LOVE YOU MAN YOU’RE AWESOME! SET EM ALL STRAIGHT

  • puggsley

    If you are a guy I can tell you have no success with woman because you would bore them soo badd.. Think about how boring that is. I think most people would rather have the unexpected instead of having everything laid out for them like an arranged marriage. Also you’d be very limited to whom you meet. What if most girls don’t want to go to your instant dating where everyone is shy and boring and doesn’t have the confidence to approach girls so they have to organize some event for all the people who can’t approach to meet woman. O are talking about a bar or night club. A place that has lets say the whole city. Ya I doubt every girl is going to go there. What makes a girl soo special if you she came that easily. O shit all I had to do was go to some bar and approach a girl or go to some online dating site or go to some church event wow that was easy. Ya what if she’s really borring and I’m not even attracted to her.. Then what I give up. THE END. No why limit yourself that’s soo weak. Why not be limitless and be able to meet someone anywhere what are socially crippled. oo I think I saw you on that commercial “NEED HELP! IM SOCIALLY CRIPPLED!”

  • puggsley

    Okay that’s great! A few guys find you attractive. There’s nothing wrong with it.

  • Guest

    I actually written something, sort of dissecting pickup artistry and what happens next..

    The
    less desperate one is, the more attractive they are. Instead of staying
    in a world that tends to perpetuate that desperation, isn’t it better
    to live a life that’s your own.

    How does pick-up
    work? PUAs (pickup artists) sometimes work their trade during the day,
    usually at the mall—this is called “day game” —but the classic location
    for seduction is the trendy club or bar. For the most part the pickup
    artist operates, in pairs with a wingman for support or sometimes they
    go in packs. They choose their victim
    and she must be approached within three seconds—this is the
    “three-second rule,” If a man looks for too long at his target, she
    might begin to think he is creepy ; and second, he might hesitate to
    make a move.. One must convey confidence to be effective. Pickup-artist
    closes. Number closing is getting a number from a girl; k-closing is
    short for kiss-closing; and f-closing for.. well..

    Pick Up Artist – An Antithesis

  • puggsley

    I honestly can’t tell if you guys are all serious or not. Let’s be honest here, what comes first attraction or personality. Most people would say looks, before getting to know someone of the opposite sex you usually want them to be attractive so why not see if she’s attracted to you. If she is then she is if she isn’t then she isn’t simple. Some people get the wrong intentions and assume you just want sex. When this is not the case. That’s the reason why I used to go straight for the compliment first addressing I find them attractive therefore asking them if they’re attracted to me. In fact I’ve had married woman girls engaged encourage me to continue. Telling me that I made their day. If I approached your wife Michael and told her she looked cute and asked her out to coffee. I’m sorry but you should be flattered and honoured because your wife is a good looking girl instead of getting all insecure and thinking I don’t even know what you’re thinking… Also I realized that it really isn’t a numbers game as much as I used to view it it’s more about learning from each approach and you’re reactions with them then anything. I’ve noticed my odds of getting girls numbers has improved a lot. Also the vibe you give off when approaching makes a big difference if you’re approaching to get laid that vibe will probably show. Meanwhile if you’re just approaching to make their day better and if you 2 have that connection asking them out you come from a less needy place and have much better odds. These things work on all woman or men. If were single and a man came up to you said he was attracted to you and you didn’t have any other options and you liked him why not get to know him? Meanwhile what girls and I’m sorry but this is what PEOPLE LOOK FOR IS SOMEONE WHOS FUN. SOMEONE WHO WONT BORE THEM AND BE ALL RESERVED AND BE A SOCIAL CRIPPLED. YOU HAVE TO TAKE RISKS IN LIFE OR ELSE IT CAN BE PRETTY BORRING. Those intellectual conversations can be a lot more fun if you include a little jazz inside them. I’ve personally been approached by many girls in the past rejecting everyone of them because I find it an insult they approached me thinking I don’t have the confidence to approach them and I wouldn’t want to live my life with a girl I didn’t have to work for. I’m a man who works for what he gets doesn’t have things handed to him. That’s when you achieve greatness no matter what it may be work or school or finding a woman who won’t cheat on you or get depressed randomly for no reason.. This takes meeting a lot of people unfortunately and learning how to interact best with more woman so you can open more doors to finding a girl that wont be crazy someone who wont cheat on you someone who you find attractive someone who is fun and doesn’t bore the crap out of you. CHEERS

  • puggsley

    No my friend you got it all wrong it’s because your nice you finish last, that’s not what you lack. You are just boring because you’re afraid to speak your mind you spend all your time thinking instead of doing and taking risks.. You can’t get a job if you don’t hand out resumes. And it increases your chances a lot more if you specifically alter each resume for each job. Hope this helps!

  • puggsley

    Not sure if you’re looking for yourself or not? Whoever it is you’re looking for negative energy only attracts more negative energy. Therefore you won’t be successful with your interactions in life with people with this kind of energy. Smiles are contagious. Did you know that most communication is done non-verbally. But the only positive reactions are done verbally. And this is what pick up artist are doing they’re being verbal about their approaches not sitting back and going home sitting in their rooms doing their homework. In fact 1 of my friends is becoming a doctor whom I trained he knows he wont have much time to meet woman so I trained him that way on the way to school and back or wherever he may go in life he can start up conversations with woman in a good manner to increase success. A looser who is a social crippled someone who can’t make friends.. A pick up artist is far from that. My friend has literally made friends with his entire class with this power and has formed study sessions like it was nothing and is improving his marks in school because of this power not only that but the things I taught him made him a good listener just like when were little kids listening to a good story our parents read to us this makes him someone who uses his time wisely that way when he’s in class he takes in a lot more information that before. What is 1 thing every woman looks for A GOOD LISTENER. IF A GIRL SAYS DIFFERENTLY SHES ONLY FOOLING HERSELF

  • puggsley

    Perhaps but if you’re smart and use approaching to your advantage you’ll have a lot more under your belt then let’s say YOU. Being a pick up artist makes you a doer no longer a thinker. Instead of thinking about your greatest fear woman you do it you approach. Also as for dating its all about being a GOOD LISTENER. If you know what im talking about then koodos for you. With this power you can friend close your whole class if you’re smart, and make study sessions with everyone in your class to improve your marks because how do people learn best when teaching others.

  • Max_Taffey

    You sound like you’re about 14 years old. You’ll learn about women some day, kid.

  • puggsley

    You must be really good at being sarcastic cause right now you’re looking like the most sarcastic person on this blog.

  • spleskin

    I read the book, and looked further into the Pua thing. Negging and all that shit, is what is called the Indirect Method. Your not being honest with women right away. There is less rejection with that way of approach. Its also been criticised as being creepy or manipulating because your not saying exactly what your thinking. A drawback to both men and women is, a lot of time is wasted, and you might find out much later whether or not they have a boyfriend.

    The Direct Method, does take more courage, and in my opinion when its done properly you are honest and upfront. No Games.
    No rehearsed lines. You say the first thing that comes to your mind. If you think she is beautiful, sexy, looks interesting, say it!
    Otherwise she may just think your a friendly guy, and nothing happens. Thats why its important to convey interest in the first few seconds. And thereby blowing past the bullshit.

    If there is instant chemistry, or you think they’re cool, you can have a chat and determine each others values. Short term, long term,
    obviously not every one is the same. If what they want, and what you want is not aligned, then move on. Relationships should be about clear communication anyway. Your setting the frame right away and your not settling,

    By the way for the women that just want your money, they tend to get weeded out this way pretty quickly.

    The courage part comes easier if your working on yourself and you have your shit together, or getting your shit together. No one is perfect.

    The online dating has its own set of pros and cons. I found it was a bit of, a again a time waster. and you don’t know what your going to get. A coworker friend had a really bad experience, and also another friend got married. And bars, don’t get me started lol…I think there are scumbags in all areas of our social world.
    And a lot of cool people also.

    I think most Toronto men would agree that To is a bit uptight.
    Unlike Montreal, Miami, New York, California…
    Maybe there’s some strange cause and effect here.
    It would be interesting in a parallel world if women had the dominant male energy, and the Responsibility of initiating connections leading to ideal relationships. They might have to grow a pair (hopefully not visible). If I go to that planet, hopefully I
    wont feel like a piece of meet ha ha.

    I don’t know about the Eaton Centre guys, but from what I read so far, the numbers of males seems pretty high for the space that

    is being used. It sounds like the instructor is shooting himself in the foot. I think a simple i’m not interested or don’t bother me response from a women should be enough. If that dosen’t work,
    kick him in the nuts or call security,or say Fuck off dipship.
    That would be the same advice I would give my sister.

    I’m more worried for women who are with men who don’t express
    themselves, and have a hidden agenda…movies are made about those guys. They end up being cookoo.

    I find this quote interesting:

    What society suppresses, it expresses.

  • Lee

    Gotta get women some way..What better place to warm up than a mall?

  • Lee

    Oh please

  • Lee

    Haha, there’s a difference between pick up artists and guys that just enjoy talking to women, until they meet the right ones.. What exactly is wrong with that?

  • Diao7 .

    Hahahahaha PUAs watch out for them they are everywhere!!
    a Pick Up Artists is rare… their like Jedis
    PUAs
    are ppl who are successful with women because they’ve developed
    themselves to be that way they had the drive to get this part of their lives handled and did so with success… a PUA is Tony Stark and Christian Grey minus the money…same ability to charm and confuse you …the same witty personality that makes you cry in laughter…the same type of mysteriousness just as dominant…lets not forget CONFIDENT as hell… these men exist their out there…
    but
    those ppl who go to the mall are not
    PUAs
    they are all noobs who want to be better with women…they push themselves out of their comfort zones to approach women and that’s good…
    so the only thing I can tell the unsuspecting women to watch out for is awkward pauses in mid conversation…and weird mannerism as they talk because they are so nervous lol

  • TdotPickup

    Hey there,
    Happy new year! My new years resolution in 2014 is NO REGRETS in 2014!
    That’s right… you have TONS of untapped potential.
    Every not hit on a girl, because it was 8am and you felt it was too early?
    Too busy rushing to work?
    You’ll approach her if she get’s off at the same stop as you?

    Are you looking for how to pickup women. We cover everything from limiting beliefs, i.e. she’s too good for me.
    How to approach girls with friends, girls with guys, respectfully i.e. without risking getting knocked out.
    Rather than “Pickup Coaching” I like to call it more of a “Shy guy gone fearless” type of thing.
    as for AMOG … I saw RSD feedback some student thought it was cool to “ignore the guy”… except it isn’t.
    I argue that either approaching the group, or approaching the guy, is the only respectful way about going about the approach without getting knocked out or really pissing off a dude. Mind you, if he’s half your size and you want to assume he’s unarmed go for it.

    Call EJ at 647-725-2153 for your FREE 15-minute Pickup coaching consultation. At just $80 for 3 hours MONEY-back guaranteed, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    I’ve approached and number closed a girl in front of literally 10+ friends, who decided to back off, when I made my intentions clear.
    I’ve approached tables of 8+ people at tons of restaurants and been given compliments from guys like “you are sure going places man”

    We cover emotions, trust, joy, etc. rather than trying to convince her to like you, we have certain routines that make the whole pickup thing, more playful.
    Of course, I have the philosophy in 2014 of NO Regrets in 2014! So that means I approach virtually every person I want to talk to,
    ​if its a guy I would approach him regarding my business and let him know about it etc.

  • babe Tutu

    YES! I just reported a guy to Eaton Security. Some dumb ass guy tried to pick me up over and over and over and over again but didnt remember me! He even tried to pick my gf up when I went to meet her. As an ATTRACIVE lady I have had guys even girls coming up to tell me I am beautiful on weekly basis, or as a girl has gone through Lavalife dating site with 1500 smils thrown to my profile, and I have dated every kind of guy possible while being single, I proudly say I am classy and in commited relationship last 5 yrs. As I was a single child had extreme social phobia until I turn 14 that I decided I was fed up with myself being the chicken at background wishing I was like my out spoken friends; as a complete foreigner was sent onto an airplane flew to Canada alone in my teenage years when I barely spoke English and I ordering McDonals was such horrifying daunting task, I can tell all the guys there I completely understand what u feel as if all the odds are against u and wanting to be the cool one. And I can tell u the best way to pick up a DECENT girl is to work on INNERSELF–being active, play a sport, attend social fund rasing event, organize a house party or outing trip on yr own, train for half marathon, be successful, be commit to gym, being REAL. Girls are attract to that! Confidence shines through not from pretentious act. U are practising “how to pick u insecure women” in the mall who would drawn to “occasional pitty compliments” even tho u might find deep down u wont respect them for being easy n sleep with u? So u think u can think u have power over girls because those a few fell for yr trick? But deep down u know the “more decent kind” always reject you! And u feIl “not good enough”, and that HURTS!I have read first a few chapters of “The Game” and I can tell u all kinds of opening lines I have heard all my life,,thousands! The best one is not the memorized BS! I picked a Chulby slightly nerdy guy out of 1500 Lavalife smiles, guess what, he had drive of his life and’s intellegent and active. That it’s attractive,. He lost weight as dating him, bought condo at age 24 and he made himself meals. He was in charge of his life. The funny thing is my then bf’s extremely hot coworker who we call “man whore” got 10 girls rotating all time for his ego, and he braged all the time. But 3 times over that year when he really fell for a girl n wanted relationship, GUESS WHAT, the girls DID NOT LIKE HIM! N he doesn’t understand WHY! It destroys all his comfidence . He got depressed n fall back to his rotating with easy girls who feel insesure just like how he feels about himself deep down. It fills void. So guys stop trying to practice being sleaz douche fake, it would get u laid short term, but will ruin yr life because u will always be “hungry”, because u compromise all this time eating something not u really want. One day, u would wake up realizing u are so programed to act certain ways in front girls, u no longer know how to be a gentleman. Make changes within yrself, the girl things would happen on their own natually.

  • babe Tutu

    Devils, u are so insecure. Thats why u are so mad. I feel sorry for u for being one of those. I have been approached by PUA so many times in Eaton I can memorize their lines now. It’s so laughable. Well said, if u were secure, u wouldnt have to gone out to exhibite how NOT WRONG it was.

  • Anders Moller

    People learning game has made life better for countless of men, as well as the women they now date. Stop saying its sexist or whatever bullshit you NA people always pull. It is progress for the good guys as well as the girls who wants a good guy but never used to pick him…

  • Allison

    I moved here 2 months ago, and have had the same guy try this on me twice. It freaked me out to be honest and now that I’ve found this I’m disgusted… If he tries it again I’ll consider reporting him to security.
    First off, women aren’t objects for you to score. Guys if you REALLY need to get laid, there are prostitutes all over this city I’m sure.
    Second, sorry, but if you need to pay to “learn game” and resort to pitching yourself to randoms at a mall you’re pretty much doomed anyway. We are exposed to (and learn) social cues from a young age… if you didn’t get it in elementary school, or heaven forbid high school and therefore you don’t fit in as an adult, too bad. That’s survival of the fittest for you.

 

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