Girlfriends for Hire: the rules of Toronto’s new sugar daddy economy
Olivia dates rich older men in exchange for gifts and money. She doesn’t consider it prostitution. In her mind, and in the minds of tens of thousands of other young Toronto women who have struck up similar for-profit relationships, it’s much more than a commercial exchange.
As a teen, Olivia didn’t get along with her mother, and, after dropping out of her Halifax high school, she moved out on her own and went on welfare. She discovered that her looks—bright blue eyes, perfect breasts, prairie-flat stomach—were her ticket to modelling gigs and bit parts in TV shows, but the work was sporadic and paid poorly. Two years ago, she moved to Toronto, looking for more opportunities. Now 25, she’s earning enough to pay her rent but not enough to support the lifestyle she imagined for herself.
Last year, a friend of Olivia’s told her she was seeing a man she’d met on SeekingArrangement.com, a match-making site designed to facilitate the pairing of wealthy older men with attractive young women. Over the past decade, many such websites have launched, helping women negotiate gifts, allowance, tuition, mentorship or simply a night out, in exchange for their companionship and, often, for sex. Olivia’s friend usually got a nice dinner, bottles of champagne and cash. She referred to her date as her sugar daddy and to herself as his sugar baby.
Olivia liked the idea of a rich man helping her with her career, telling her the secrets of how he became so successful, and pushing her life in the same direction. Plus, she wanted to have fun. She put her profile up on SeekingArrangement.com and, later, on WhatsYourPrice.com. The first few men she met weren’t perfect. One wouldn’t hold the door for her. Another was married. Many just wanted to pay for sex, but she eventually met a wealthy, recently divorced doctor in his early 40s who kept a small roster of sugar babies.
For their first meeting, he booked a room in the Trump hotel. He was not especially handsome, but he was well-groomed. They had drinks together in the hotel room and he quizzed her about her goals and interests. There was no sex, no physical contact. At the end of the night, he gave her his number.
They’ve since gone on two or three dates a month. She tells me she has a powerful intellectual attraction to him. She likes that he’s generous with his children—she thinks he has two or three, but doesn’t know for sure—and that she can talk to him about pretty much anything. She likes that he wants her for more than her body.
For the most part, he decides when they meet. Sometimes they have sex—good sex, sometimes with another woman, or two—but often they just grab dinner, or meet up for a drink, or talk long into the night. Whatever they do, or don’t do, her sugar daddy always hands her $500 at the end of the encounter. He slips it into her hand, delicate as a sparrow’s wing, and says, “For you.” Olivia sees it as a gentlemanly gesture; she never negotiated the amount, though many sugar babies do. She doesn’t consider herself to be an escort. If that’s what he wanted, she says, he could go somewhere else.
For many sugar daddies, the idea of hiring a prostitute is unpalatable—they don’t like the open acknowledgement that a woman is with them for the money or that she is, very possibly, faking her sexual pleasure. Sugar daddies want a more authentic relationship. They often like to see themselves as the white knight—the guy who makes it possible for a young woman to go to school, get her dream job or experience a chic lifestyle that would otherwise be unattainable. It’s not exactly dating, but a form of pampering.
Sugar daddies have been around probably as long as the world’s oldest profession. The term gained modern-day traction with the 2002 publication of Sugar Daddy 101, a popular how-to book by Leidra Lawson, an Atlanta-based veteran sugar baby, who leads workshops on how to navigate the sugar world and appears at sex conventions and conferences. To the people who call themselves sugar daddies and sugar babies, the word primarily connotes a lifestyle: an exclusive club for no-strings couplings.
In her book, Lawson recommended women meet potential sugar daddies at upscale furniture stores and restaurants, health clubs and financial centres. “Before going inside a restaurant, conduct a car check to see how many fancy cars and limos are parked outside,” she wrote. Particularly, women should look for Ferraris, BMWs and Benzes.
Lawson still receives speaking requests and fan emails, but much of her book’s practical advice has become obsolete. Now, when you Google “sugar daddy,” hundreds of websites pop up. There are life coaches who offer instructions on how to be the best sugar baby you can be. One, Taylor B. Jones, has a PowerPoint presentation dubbed “The Blueprint for Sugar Daddy Dating.” There is even a website called Sugar Daddy Finder, which includes a free e-book with such sage advice as: “High heels make your legs look long and lean [and] your ass look spectacular and pert, and can take any outfit to the next level.”
Two of the most popular sugar websites are SeekingArrangement and Sugardaddie, both U.S.-based but active in Canada, and Toronto-founded Established Men, whose parent company also operates Ashley Madison, the cheating website for married people. Each site offers the same core service: to help financially strapped young women meet older men who want to shower them with gifts, travel and cash. SeekingArrangement also asks women to include their ideal monthly allowance in their profiles; men are asked to include their yearly income, net worth and monthly sugar baby spending budget. Relationships are dubbed “mutually beneficial arrangements.”
Brandon Wade, the founder and CEO of SeekingArrangement, is a 42-year-old once-divorced MIT grad. His wife, Tanya, is a gorgeous 27-year-old Ukrainian. They met when he interviewed her for an administrative job at SeekingArrangement. When I ask him about the difference between sugar babies and hookers, Wade says that his mother, a housewife, has always received an allowance from his father. Does that make matrimony a form or prostitution? “In a sugar relationship,” he says, “it’s all about, ‘What sort of value is this person really adding to my life?’ and ‘What sort of value am I adding to their life?’ ” The sugar lifestyle is sneered at by prudes, he says, because it’s so up-front about the give-and-take. Whatever the prudes think, the lifestyle is catching on.
Toronto is a sugar-friendly city. Established Men’s membership has grown by more than 80 per cent each of the past two years. It has 79,000 members in the GTA (accounting for one third of its Canadian membership); roughly 26,000 of those are men and 53,000 are women. Toronto is the top sugar daddy city in Canada for SeekingArrangement as well, with a penetration of two sugar daddies for every 1,000 men. Toronto sugar daddies earn a self-reported annual income of roughly $250,000 and have an average net worth of $5.3 million. They include senior executives, entrepreneurs, and people in the finance or sales and marketing sectors. Close to 40 per cent of the men on SeekingArrangement are married, and, in recent years, their average age has dropped to 40—defying the Hugh Hefner stereotype. On average, Toronto’s daddies spend $4,027 a month on their women.
Sugar babies, by contrast, tend to earn less than $34,000 annually and work in retail or restaurants, or are students. Many women on the sites are looking for men to pay their way through university, while others are looking for somebody to pay off their student debt. There are women in their 30s and 40s on the sites who are divorced and want to be indulged, have deadbeat ex-husbands, or are just tired of going dutch. A surprising number of women are in it for new breasts (a common enough desire that it inspired a website called MyFreeImplants.com, which connects “donors” with women seeking augmentation). Lawson, like others I spoke to in the sugar world, attributes the growth in popularity of the lifestyle to a combination of the tight economy and loosening morals. It is both harder and easier for women to live the luxurious lifestyle they want.
Lawson also believes that the flourishing of Internet porn is responsible for the allure of the sugar lifestyle. Regular women see porn stars such as Jenna Jameson and James Deen as mainstream. They don’t operate underground; they’re media darlings with bestselling books, TV shows, Hollywood resumés, websites and huge Twitter followings.
To meet sugar people for this story, I joined Established Men as Lauren288. At first, I didn’t bother uploading a profile photo; I just described my body type as “average” and noted my age, 28. I was instantly pinged with dozens of messages and chat requests from men. After a few visits to the sites, I became so curious about the intricacies of first contact that I added a photo.
While women can sign up for free, men are required to pay for their accounts—$79 per month on Established Men and $60 on SeekingArrangement. On SeekingArrangement, men can pay an annual $1,250 fee to have their incomes verified—a selling point for babies who’ve been burned. For $25, the site also offers background checks for both men and women. Members who pass get an icon displayed on their profile that signifies they have not been convicted of any crime, particularly sexual assault or domestic abuse.
Despite these attempts at transparency, the site feels like an elaborate make-believe game in which money and sex have everything and nothing to do with it. A lot of the work in sugar dating is about maintaining the sweet veneer while subtly haggling over the exact benefits of arrangements—a rather delicate task. “The more personal you make it,” says Lawson, “the less it seems like it’s about money—I know that sounds silly, a bit counterintuitive—but it really makes it better.”
The innocent façade mitigates the lingering sense that arrangements are ultimately financial transactions. Sugar daddies seem more lonely and sweet than lecherous and creepy. The men who contacted me were intent on romance. One 39-year-old wrote: “I must say that you are absolutely breathtaking, and yes I know it sounds like a rehearsed line (it may very well even be for some), however, there is no other way I would describe you.” He gave me his cell number and promised “interesting conversation, tales of my adventures, a strong set of arms, and an open heart and mind.” In my short time on the site, I was never asked for sex directly, although one man from Kitchener confessed, “I am looking for that elusive friend with benefits. Sex is easy to find for me, but passion is what I really desire.”
Sugar daddy profiles often have startlingly specific requests. I found Sinbad, a 66-year-old Toronto man with a declared net worth of $2 million who described himself as a “wealthy Asian professional male, semi-retired, divorced with a daughter in university.” He said that he could be an excellent career mentor. And he had a preference for sugar babies who could ski or play tennis. He would not see anybody without proof of current university enrolment. One recently divorced 58-year-old explained that he owns a two-bedroom condo in the heart of the Entertainment District and wanted a sugar baby who would live in the condo—“separate bedroom, for your privacy when we are not ‘benefiting.’ ” He’d provide everything, including food and an allowance.
The sugar world is wary of outsiders. There were men and women who agreed to talk to me as a journalist, then never returned my phone calls. A couple of them gave me their number, answered the phone and said they’d call right back but never did, and never answered the phone again. Women asked if I would pay them and refused to participate when I said no. Those who would talk to me wanted to do so only by phone. Most were afraid of being judged or stigmatized. (Even Brandon Wade, the SeekingArrangement founder, operates online with a fake name; his real surname, which he uses in other business dealings, is Wey.)
Most men who agreed to be interviewed asked me to withhold their last names, certain that the discovery of their lifestyle would harm both personal and business relationships. One, a 50-year-old management consultant, told me he had a high-profile job on Bay Street. Over the phone, he talked about his motivations for joining the site. Primarily, he said, it’s for the sex, but it’s also about ego: his 28-year-old sugar baby is a knockout. He claimed he had never used a prostitute and hates it when women simulate sexual pleasure. He pays his baby $500 each time he sees her, which is only twice a month because he is very busy.
Before we got off the phone, he grilled me about the young women I’d interviewed. He wanted to know if he was, comparatively, paying too much, and if I thought he was being too forward when he asked sugar babies on the site out to lunch. How should he approach them? In fact, SeekingArrangement membership studies show there is a 50/50 split between babies who want only gifts and travel and those who also want an allowance. Established Men doesn’t permit its members to offer or ask for allowances on the site, because that would give it an escort-like feel, and the proprietors would rather members form arrangements based on mutual attraction.
Many sugar daddies prefer to seal the deal by paying for trips, dining, shopping and the occasional bill. Steve is 41 and divorced, has two children under 10 and works in real estate. His sugar baby is 24. He likes spoiling her with things she can’t afford on her own. Harbour Sixty, he says, was eye-opening to her. He also takes her on shopping sprees to Holt Renfrew and other Yorkville boutiques. He finds it exciting to give her experiences she has never had before. He recently took her on a two-day trip to Las Vegas, where they stayed at Caesars Palace, gambled, saw shows and dined at fancy restaurants. Steve figures the weekend bill, not including the flight, came to roughly $2,000, pocket change for him, but extravagant to his sugar baby. “Being in a marriage for a while, I didn’t get the thank-you, the gratitude,” he says. But now he does. This is something I hear a lot, not just from Steve. He adds that he doesn’t mean to sound arrogant, but he is certain she is not just with him for the money. Steve believes he has great advantages over 20-something men, most of whom haven’t quite learned how to treat women and are not as successful.
Baby profiles show a similar gamut of motives. The majority of women are up front about their expectations. Danielle, a 20-year-old U of T student on SeekingArrangement, wants a monthly allowance of $10,000 to $20,000 “plus expensive gifts or vacations.” In return, she adds: “I’m open to what you want in exchange.” Another young woman, 25-year-old Gina from Windsor, asks for a $5,000 to $10,000 monthly allowance. “Realistically,” she writes, “I hope to find a connection with a man who treats me with respect and values a kept woman.” Cass is among the youngest allowed on the sugar sites: an 18-year-old who enjoys shopping, tanning, travelling and sports. She wants someone to spoil her with “wonders”—and pay for school.
One U of T grad, 23-year-old Melissa, tells me she joined Established Men because she considers herself old-fashioned—the type of woman who loves Audrey Hepburn movies and “gentlemanly stuff” and believes men should pay for and do everything. She figures if she were dating a man her own age, in the same financial situation—working as a server and paying off student debt—they would have a boring routine of eating pasta while watching Netflix every night.
Her life is much better with David, her 38-year-old investment banker sugar daddy. In the two months since they met, they’ve gone to New York and San Francisco, and made plans for a four-day ski vacation to Mont Tremblant. They flew first-class to San Francisco, where they rode the famous cable cars and David bought Melissa a snow globe souvenir. It was a working trip for David; while he was at meetings, Melissa took his gold card and went shopping. She bought a nice dress for dinner, some shirts, more souvenirs and a pair of boxers for him. Melissa says she wasn’t too extravagant because she knows it takes a lot of trust for a man to hand over his credit cards. “I like him very much, and I admire him,” she adds. “So I wouldn’t want to screw him over.”
Recently, he bought her a gorgeous white winter coat. “I call it my Anastasia coat,” she says, “because it makes me feel like a princess.” Melissa does not deny that money is a big factor in her relationships. While she finds David’s confidence and chiselled shoulders sexy, she wouldn’t date him if he wasn’t wealthy. She plans to enter Ryerson’s travel and tourism program, and, if the two are still dating next September, she is sure David will help pay her tuition.
Of all the experiences Olivia’s sugar daddy has given her, the night of her 25th birthday was the best. He took her and another of his sugar babies to Yamato, a Japanese restaurant in Yorkville. For a birthday gift, he gave her a book, The Law of Attraction, a deck of tarot cards and a purple wall hanging that reads, “I connect with spirit. I invite sacred transformation. I embrace the unity of all beings.”
They had seats at a counter where they could watch the chef cook their kobe beef rose-petal rare. To keep the moment forever, she captured it all on her iPhone. She also photographed the bill, when it came: $946. Later, they went to the Park Hyatt, where he had a bottle of Dom Pérignon and a chocolate cake waiting. Olivia took a picture of both. The entire night cost close to $2,000.
Before she met her current sugar daddy, Olivia had exchanged emails with a man who promised her everything. His profile picture showed him holding a fan of $20 bills. He wanted to buy her a condo and a car, but the only person allowed in the condo with her would be him. She would have to agree to see him a minimum of 18 times every month. She realized he wanted to own her, like a pimp.
She’s constantly assessing and reassessing her motives for participating in the sugar lifestyle. Though she dreams of material things, she also believes that if a person focuses only on the material side of life, “karma will bite that person in the ass. You lose the real you.” She doesn’t want to lose the real her and often replays conversations or events from her sugar life to close friends, asking them to weigh in on how it will affect her cosmic scale.
The sugar baby lifestyle isn’t her long-term financial plan. Most sugar relationships fizzle after a few months. Some last up to a year, or even longer—depending on the connection, or, more typically, the demands. Olivia has no dreams of marrying her sugar daddy but also does not want to end the relationship any time soon. She is careful about not asking him for anything directly, partially because she doesn’t want to scare him off, but also because she doesn’t want to rely on him for everything.
Last December, she considered breaking her rule and asking him for extra money. She had moved into a new apartment and her deposit and first month’s rent totalled $2,400, which was fine, she says, because she had that amount saved. But she didn’t have enough to pay January’s rent. She knew that her sugar daddy would pay it, if she asked. After all, he had bought another one of his babies a car.
She found a way to pay it herself, but during their next date she mentioned the financially draining episode in casual conversation. When her daddy left that night, he slipped $600 into her hand instead of the usual $500. This time, he added, “I hope that helps.” He always takes care of her.
Any way you paint it – Its prostitution. And what is Toronto Life’s fascination with the seedier parts of Toronto? This is the second or possibly third article on “kept” women. Pick it up a notch guys. Barf..
I agree with Kdahl that TorontoLife seems fixed on postitution in the city. It sells.
Enjoy it honey, while you’ve got it. Once you’re in you’re 30’s you’ll be unemployed, broke and living back at home.
A senior writer/editor of TL uses those sites…he claims to make over a million dollars in salary lol…we saw his ipad opened on the site during a meeting…smh
So, she’s a prostitute that doesn’t sleep with them, or does she? How quaint.
TAKE THIS JUNK OUT OF MY URBAN CULTURE MAGAZINE OR I WILL CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION STAT.
Maybe he was on the site checking it out for this story? Things aren’t always as they appear right
I see both sides of this one but did anyone else notice she’s not especially attractive? That’s what I find I remarkable about the story her Dr. is interested in more than just looks
A sugar daddy/baby relationship is just that…a relationship. Getting a phone call here and there to meet up and perform some kind of task, sexual or otherwise, and getting slipped cash at the end of the encounter is not a relationship it’s prostitution, plain and simple. He didn’t have to go somewhere else if he wanted an escort, he went there….and got you. What’s wrong with our society
oooh so much hate on this thread, I say go for it. Do what makes you happy-there’s nothing wrong with being direct. Historically, no one has ever liked a woman who was in control of her sexual prowess or used it for her own gain. It’s a bit dated to attack a woman because she’s not ashamed/subservient/subordinate/working in a job we deem appropriate for women….like PR though don’t you think?
Based on the story it seems like a big part of current urban culture
I didn’t think anything could be more trashy than the Ashley Madison article from a few months back but this is.
These women of course want to spin the story. Definition of prostitution reads as follows.
I’d love Olivia to explain the difference.
1. The practice or occupation of engaging in sex with someone for payment.
2. The corrupt use of one’s talents for personal or financial gain.
Paging Olivia…..
Was about to remove Toronto Life from my page until I saw the comments, glad to see I ‘m not the only one wondering about the direction it’s taking.
Because of this you think something’s wrong with our society? What will you think when you discover that for your love of bacon animals suffer painfully for years and then end up being bled to death while feeling the full shock of the pain I wonder? Or the fact that Torontonians routienly ignore the legless cripple begging for change at Yonge/Dundas while on their way to buy a $600 iPhone? Are you just now waking up to all that is wrong with this “peaceful nation” of Canada?
Welcome to Earth. Glad you were born. :)
Travel and Tourism. Hahahaah. Going to go real far with that.
I was referring to a society in which women prostitute themselves and yet justify it as companionship or whatever they say to themselves. A society in which married people can easily find sex and answers in another’s bed rather than fix thier problems. A society in which “sugar daddies” aka Johns, can find young impressionable women with the click of a button. But you tell me I’m “not from earth” because of animal cruelty and homelesness. Riiiiight.
Welcome to the human brain, most of use use 10%. Glad you use 2% :)
P.R.O.S.T.I.T.U.T.I.O.N
Definition of prostitution from MW: the act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money. Unless these people are just holding hands then I think that’s pretty clear.
I think the Pink Hello Kitty in the upper right of Olivia’s photo sums up her actual position in life far better than any of the babble that comes out of her mouth. For a moment, I wondered how she could’ve missed the potentially damning subtext her playthings represented (I count five superficial pussies on that bed!), but then I remembered that context is usually beyond the comprehension skills of hookers. :)
You clearly haven’t read your history. Ever heard of Anne Boleyn? Cleopatra? Madame de Pompadour? Madame du Barry? Most of Henry the VIII ‘s wives? Dianne de Poitiers? and Napolean’s infamous mistress Marie W? These extremely powerful sexually charged and intellectual women not only ruled King’s hearts but their countries, politics and economies as well. #doyourhomework
This isn’t any different except now it’s accessible to less powerful men like doctors and more women as per the article. Traditionally this was done behind closed (castle) doors but now it’s in front of you. Read the below and consider whether this is a reflection of modern urban culture or just same old behaviours but now more transparent. Do what your ancestors did – turn a blind eye or join in. Someone else decided to take their cut. Good for them.
http://www.amazon.ca/Sex-Kings-Adultery-Rivalry-Revenge/dp/0060585439
Direction? haha it’s about selling paper. Interesting and clearly emotionally provoking piece. Got to give it to them.
Toronto Life is all about the peep show, over the fence at the wealthy properties and under the sheets with whomever the owners would prefer to sleep with.
The tone of the article glorifies this lifestyle. It would be nice to see some of the negative repercussions associated with these “exchanges”. Emotional, or otherwise.
This is glamorized prostitution made to look appealing and trying to justify it. What happened to making an honest living, working hard, sacrificing and saving? This things can easily be acquired with a little patience and time. Where have all the morals gone? Is this the best Toronto Life can do to find an intriguing topic to discuss?
i love all the comments here and was actually thinking the same thing, but take a moment here and think about this and correct me please:
what about when you go out on a date and pay for dinner? what about housewives? are they not paid for something? what about the men who pay her? what about men who watch tv all day long and let their wives pay for their food?
i think this girl wants the easy way instead of getting a decent education she chose to sell her body, but arent we all slaves to one another and somehow prostitutes in our own way? think about it and let me know… (i am not agreeing with this article, just thinking out loud)
what about men who watch tv all day long and let their wives pay for their food? are they prostitutes? etc
i love all the comments here and was actually thinking the same thing, but take a moment here and think about this and correct me please:
what about when you go out on a date and pay for dinner? what about housewives? are they not paid for something? what about the men who pay her? what about men who watch tv all day long and let their wives pay for their food? are they prostitutes? etc.
i think this girl wants the easy way instead of getting a decent education she chose to sell her body, but arent we all slaves to one another and somehow prostitutes in our own way? think about it and let me know… (i am not agreeing with this article, just thinking out loud)
what does feminism prowess and PR have to do with this story? please read a book!
The readership must be really stuck up to hear that much resistance to something that is considered routine in Europe and elsewhere.Prostitution are defined by how much red tape you did NOT have to go through to get sex. It started when Mr. Caveman had to gave away half of what he hunted to get the other half cooked, those are all our ancestors.Lots of religious baggage in Toronto.
I found this article very intriguing. It is easy for someone who reads news online to skim through a lot, but I read this article from beginning to end. Reading about these girls, I think we all have witnessed mild forms of a give and take relationship. What’s wrong with admitting that you want a lifestyle you cannot afford?
thank goodness just a piece of paper makes it legit.
some people just don’t believe they have to put a ring on it to get the perks. Sorry housewives, but you are all prostitutes as well. You just sleep with one man and take half.
You mean the worlds oldest profession is somehow new?
Ouch. Realize you’re trying to defend women, but throwing the other half under the bus is kind of…not very helpful?
Most women work jobs and do housework as well. And even if they don’t have a job, they are raising children. you know..performing activities involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose – or “work” as it’s known.
Calling housewives prostitutes is insulting for not only the women, but the men they’re married to – like the man has no other thing to offer the woman other than finance. He’s not, you know, nice or funny or interesting… he’s just the sum of the numbers on his T4.
People make choices. People will judge other people based on their beliefs, progressive or not; I guess that’s why I can’t wear a snuggie to work event though ITS 17 DEGREES IN MY OFFICE. It’s just the way the world works.
Probably, and there’s nothing wrong with that either so long as it’s what the woman consented to! If she didn’t consent to that and she wanted to be part of a relationship with a double income then he’s breaking the agreement and is a lazy bum.
Tats different ,they are in Relationship !
This basically describes every woman.They trade their …. against food, protection, security, child support, …. on different levels…. That’s in their nature. They only call it prostitution when they directly exchange it with money. So get used to it
“Tens of thousands of other Toronto women…” In a city of 2.6+ million, with half the population female, and one-fourth of those fitting the “sugar baby” age group, with just 25,000 sugar babies, that’s 1 out of every 13, or less. Wow! The city’s a virtual brothel!
i think that women in this day and age have it pretty easy!! all they half to do is spread their legs and they get whatever they want!! including half of the husbands assets !! is this fair?? don’t think so women just go after men for their money so yes they are prostitutes!!!!!!!
Calling women prostitutes is like calling men Johns, which is insulting for both men and women. Its like calling your dad or brother a John, or like calling your mom or sister a prostitute (though no one thinks that way about their family – just outsiders)
In 2013, with neoliberalism and outsourcing and stagflation of wages, everyone has to work – no one has it easy, or they end up homeless. I volunteer at a shelter that has men and women and even children. No one has it easy in life – there is nothing that guarantees you won’t face some sort of adversity.
When I look at the relationships my friends and I have, I suppose we are fortunate in that we all have healthy relationships.
It’s sad when I hear some girls say “all guys are dicks and just looking for sex” and then hear single men say “All girls are sluts just looking for money”. You gotta wonder what the disconnect is. These are the people who have felt slighted or carry hurt in them.
Even though this story is a “shock piece”, it always reminds me how lucky I am that I had hardworking parents that made my brother and I strong independent people. The idea of depending on someone else long term would embarrass me, and my family would be rolling in their graves if either of us, after all they worked for, took handouts.
-AlyssaM
And then mom and dad will be selling their Toronto home for $$$ to retire and you won’t have a place to live, and they’re not going to give you handouts like when you were 20.
Isn’t the world’s oldest profesion to be a hunter?
Established Men is the worst sugar daddy site I’ve been on. Every man wants to show you his penis. I am only on there as I’m on disability and most of my health care expenses are not covered by OHIP or Disability. Without trying this I could loose my apartment trying to get medical attention I need. Not to mention i had to give up a dog because I couldn’t pay the vet bills. Had to take care of myself first. It’s sad that Canada cannot take care of it’s own yet we send millions to other countries.
Just like marriage except no bullshit, you always get what you want and you don’t lose half your sh*t when she gets pissed so it’s nothing like marriage. Why would anyone get married?