Casey May 21, 2008 at 6:14 p.m.

" This, not to put too fine a point on it, is nuts. A fellow journo covering the Garth Drabinsky trial this morning said it best. “I hate those guys. They’re forcing me to defend Mark Steyn.” And so should we all. On serious issues of race and pluralism, Steyn is glib and simplistic. But the fact is he’s also funny and effective, which puts him in a whole other league from some tattooed cracker with a megaphone. Come June 2, one hopes saner heads prevail. " - Douglas Bell

To explain away and forgive Mark Steyn and his religious, racial and cultural views as " funny and effective " and therefore ok is rather appalling. His controversial biases, place him in the same category as " some tattooed cracker with a megaphone " and arguably even more potently powerful because his drivel is validated by and passed off or excused because he is a journalist who writes for and therefore is, by extension, backed up by the many prominent magazines he writes for, etc. He is no better than a redneck, in my opinion. He simply writes better. Steyn IS " glib and simplistic " and no better than Douglas Collins - there is no such thing as degrees of discrimination, in my opinion - a racist is a racist is a racist - period.

Casey May 21, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.

Moreover, a rose by any other name is still a rose.......

Barbara_in_BC May 21, 2008 at 6:32 p.m.

What Steyn has done is make pseudo-scientific claims that Muslims are breeding so quickly that Europeans are soon going to be outnumbered by them. Free speech doesn't apply to scientific claims! Predicting population growth is pretty lame when you're a high school dropout.

Barbara_in_BC May 21, 2008 at 6:33 p.m.

Actually Casey, a rose by any other name is "still as sweet".

Casey May 21, 2008 at 7:35 p.m.

Barbara_in_BC May 21, 2008 at 6:33 p.m.

Actually Casey, a rose by any other name is "still as sweet".

But I am sure you agree with me that once a racist, as per Steyn, probably always a racist. It so infuriates me, Barbara, that this bigot is getting away with his scary views because weeklies such as Mcleans, in which he projects his opinions, legitimizes this bigot. By the way, wasn't Doug Collins whom Bell mentions above, that horrible lawyer for Ernst Zundel? I had no idea that he had passed away...

Haliburton May 21, 2008 at 8:12 p.m.

I would remind all of the leftist cretins who accuse Steyn and “America Alone” of being racist, that Arabs, Persians, and the people of Pakistan, Turkey, and North Africa, who are discussed in Steyn’s book, are indisputably Caucasian people. They are, like Steyn, white. By simple definition, Steyn cannot be truthfully called a racist for any implied criticism of these people. If you don’t like Steyn’s views on religion, say so! But, of course, most leftist crazies have nothing contempt for religion, so what are you intellectual pigmies complaining about?

Casey May 21, 2008 at 8:29 p.m.

Haliburton May 21, 2008 at 8:12 p.m.
" If you don’t like Steyn’s views on religion, say so! "

I DID and you called me a cretin and a " leftist crazy " and an " intellectual pygmy ". Any other so called " nicities " you care to post? And your argument re Steyn vis a vis the Arabs or Muslims you label as caucasian is incorrect.

Jeanne May 21, 2008 at 9:37 p.m.

B in BC, can you direct me to the "rose is still as sweet" reference? Sounds like something that would cheer me up.

Casey's reference stands also, a la Gertrude Stein, " a rose is a rose is a rose."

Steyn is a mean-spirited, small-minded, hard-hearted misogynist. Like Voltaire, I disapprove of what [Steyn] say[s], but I will defend to the death [Steyn's] right to say it.

Steyn reveals the poverty of his intellect and his humanity with every piece he writes. Why give him a bigger platform to stand on?

Barbara_in_BC May 21, 2008 at 10:23 p.m.

Right Jeanne, why give Steyn space to spout his xenophobic hysteria in a national magazine? What the heck? I guess it sells magazines, either drumming up support from some and irritating others.

The quote you asked about is from Shakespeare - Romeo and Juliet:

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"

http://www.enotes.com/romeo-text/3380

Jeanne May 22, 2008 at 12:52 a.m.

B in BC, ah, I should have known it would be Romeo and Juliet.

Steyn's thoughts speak for themselves, and reflect on him. If MacLeans wishes to publish them, that reflects on them. I haven't paid for a MacLean's magazine in 20 years, since it began taking the low road.

I am with Voltaire and Chomsky on this one. It is far worse to suppress evil speech than to keep free all speech.

Jeanne May 22, 2008 at 1:06 a.m.

And, I hasten to add, when it comes to free speech, you can't pick one from column A (that you approve of), and strike off one from column B (that you disapprove of).

I defend Steyn's right to speak like a narrow-minded, ignorant bigot. And I defend MacLean's right to publish Steyn.

And I encourage everyone to refute both the writer and the publication so effectively that they are revealed for exactly what they are.

Barbara_in_BC May 22, 2008 at 1:42 a.m.

Jeanne: Glad you enjoyed the Romeo and Juliet...

But refuting Mark Steyn might be easier if we could get our opinions published. His kind of angry diatribe will find a way into print because it's sensational. Nobody is offering a forum for those of us who believe there is no problem with Muslim immigration, because it's not exciting!

charley May 22, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.

There is an economic factor to the fear of immigrants swamping native populations. When waves of poor Irish Italians Jews etc came to North America in the past similar fears were expressed they would some day outnumber their hosts because they all seemed to be families with 5 to 10 kids. Once they settled in, started getting full-time jobs, buying houses guess what- their birth rate dropped to the local average. It seems in some ways counterintuitive but the poorer more desperate, marginal people are the more kids they have.Helping immigrants succeed is the best strategy for curbing their birth rate!

jade_lee May 22, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.

Does this all boil down to a gene pool population thing?
As far as I am concerned advocating for the free speech of extremists is one thing but ideas should be challenged when they concern hateful fears that can put innocent people in harms way and I think Mark Steyn is no different from haters of days gone by. Perhaps the Human Rights Tribunal is the only avenue open for people to challenge mass media and others who have a vested interest in spewing their extremist views as in the case of Mark Steyn as he continues to support neocon failures including CB.

Casey May 22, 2008 at 9:46 a.m.

I wanted to add to my comments above that the fact that CB and BA are so friendly with as well as totally supportive of Steyn's skewed racial, cultural, religios views is irrefutable proof of not only that CB and BA deserve ostracism but also that they are, in fact, dangerous because they legitimize their disturbing societal beliefs and principles via the magazines, newspapers, books they employ to expound upon their despicible opinions. If one reads Toobes' recent biography of CB, the claims Toombes so eloquently points out in detail, are actually frightening. Toombes notes, for example Black's unswerving support for the views of well-known Quebec Fascist and anti Semite, Robert Rummilly. The book is literally laced with references to friendships between Black and many noted and infamous Quebec Fascisti and Nazis. That these horrific beliefs and principles by CB and BA have barely been mentioned in the media is surprising and it is fascinating that the Crosstalking Lord referred to the prosecutors at his trail as Nazis. One has to wonder who's the real Nazi here.

jade_lee May 22, 2008 at 10:07 a.m.

If CB and amealticket are extremists, the mass media is glaringly complicit in spreading their words, how do you stop writers from spreading baloney? You can't. That's my final answer.

Casey May 22, 2008 at 10:13 a.m.

I am repeating myself ( as I earlier posted on this blog ) when I state that although I may disagree vehemently with the Mark Steyn's and Conrad Blacks of the world, I nevertheless, as Jeanne also claims above, shall just as vehemently defend their right to express their views. By shutting them up and denying them the right to state their opinions, we do a diservice to the public who must be made aware of their repulsive views. Furthermore, we lend credence to the values held by these disgraceful individuals if we attempt to stifle their perceptions and beliefs because we then emphasize the fact that what they are claiming must be of some value.
Freedom of speech and expression are precious rights and must be respected but along with these privileges comes responsibility and herein lies the dilemma - when to prevent these disturbing writers, etc. from inflicting their terrible opinions on the public - public's right to know - and when to give them free reign to expound upon their reviled beliefs.

GravityLevity2 May 22, 2008 at 12:58 p.m.

I believe in freedom of speech; that should include the right to criticize and name bigots without fear of libel writs.

However, when powerful like-minded people monopolize the mass media, genuine freedom of speech becomes a pipe-dream.

Hate speech laws, like libel laws, should be very narrow, if they should exist at all. I would confine hate speech laws to
1. Lies (in effect group libel)
2. The urging of criminal activity.

Ben01 May 22, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

I agree that we have to defend the freedom of speech. It may something we totally disagree with today that is being attacked but history shows us that if the rights of those we disagree with aren't protected, it is usually ours that will be attacked down the road.I haven't read Mark Steyn's book but just because he is right wing we shouldn't automatically write off everything he says. How many of you have read "While Europe Slept"? Written by Bruce Bawer (http://www.brucebawer.com/), a left of centre, gay activist who left America for Europe years ago because of the prevailing attitude of a lot of America regarding gays. He has some interesting observations of the impact Islam is having on Europe. I think if we want to have a country with freedom of speech for ourselves both Left and Right need to be open minded and be willing to listen to people of other views and not totally write off people because they are conservative or liberal and for those few extremests who try to incite violence or who lie and slander innocent people, they should be prosecuted in a court of law.

charley May 22, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.

GL2: I agree with your #2-urging criminal activity- but#1 seems too broad for me. As with arguments about what happened historically one person's truth is another's lie. Also satire, parody,exaggeration are technically "lies".Like other posters on this thread have advocated it's up us to expose, battle ,refute the lie ,not try to ban it.

charley May 22, 2008 at 3:02 p.m.

D.Bell thinks Steyn is funny and eloquent so in a 'whole different league" from a tattooed cracker? Surely in the eyes of the law these differences are to be ignored. It sounds very condescending to me. The ignorant lower-class git can be forcefully prosecuted but come on give the guy with redeeming features a break. Maybe when it comes to sentencing other factors are looked at but not when deciding whether to charge someone. It reminds me of the controversy over the treatment of the British spies back in the mid-20th century. Burgess, Mclean, Philby, Sir Anthony Blunt are allowed to slip away to Russia or even not prosecuted (in Blunt's case)because well they're the"right sort"-i.e establishment, mid-to upper-class ,Cambridge-educated. In contrast working-class spy George Blake gets 40 years.

Barbara_in_BC May 22, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

It's all about marketing. Steyn is entertaining, therefore his books fly off the shelves. He targets an easily identifiable enemy (look for beards and veils) which makes it easy for the slobs to find a scapegoat for their economic problems. Everyone likes to hate someone!

Fintan May 22, 2008 at 5:06 p.m.

Barbara in BC. "Everyone likes to hate someone!"

Indeed, maybe we should recognise that and do everything in our power to overcome it. People like Mark Steyn are not helping here; instead, they are reinforcing distrust, mistrust, suspicion and fear of others. The tatooed redneck may be excused on the ground of ignorance - and I am not taking a condescending view here, just acknowledging that the redneck has not had the educational advantage that Steyn (even as a high school dropout) has had, nor his life experience nor exposure to information - but Steyn can not. He knows well that his published views and the caricature - however witty - that he paints can have very detrimental effects.

Nevertheless, he should be allowed to write his malicious drivel as long as people are stupid enough to pay for reading it. Our task is to convince people of how wrong he is.

Let us not forget how many Islamic preachers have been jailed in the UK and other European countries for voicing what is, in essence, a mirror image, less polished, less "dogwhistled" version of the same message that Steyn has for us. Yet, those arrests and incarcerations - persecution as some in other cultures would see it - have done nothing to weaken the determination of radical Islamic groups - any more than chucking the Schweyn into the same cell as Bubba and the evil creature who helped create him, His Lardship, would hasten the inevitable demise of the evil neocon cause that both of them espouse.

Maybe we need to get back to the thinking that gave us things like "National Brotherhood week".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6RbfaoX5...

Casey May 22, 2008 at 5:09 p.m.

Barbara_in_BC May 22, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

It's all about marketing. Steyn is entertaining, therefore his books fly off the shelves. He targets an easily identifiable enemy (look for beards and veils) which makes it easy for the slobs to find a scapegoat for their economic problems. Everyone likes to hate someone!

Good post. It is so easy to slam say, Muslims, Hassidim, etc. because they don't dress or look like like us so attacking them is permissible not in samll part because often those being abused are often unable to properly defend themselves from racist and bigotted behaviour. Moreover sad but true - humans love to get down, dirty and drown in their hatreds - usually they are the ones without an education. Abusing, insulting and attacking others prevents the perpetrators of hate from focusing upon their own miserable lives and find it satisfying to blame others for their situations.

Barbara_in_BC May 22, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.

Good satirical video Fintan... I like the way he makes a mockery of just about everybody, including himself.

Barbara_in_BC May 22, 2008 at 5:35 p.m.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/22...

Here's the American version of xenophobia: "Fear & Loathing in Prime Time: Immigration Myths and Cable News", which focuses on the three cable hosts most responsible for spreading misinformation and fostering fear and anger about undocumented immigrants: Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly, and Glenn Beck.

1150 May 22, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

Steyn’s enemy is not Muslims, its you – effete, panty waste moral equivalencers. That’s why you are so ready to denounce him as a racist, while labeling him a cracker, and call for his silencing, even as you proclaim the right of free speech. Tossers

Casey May 22, 2008 at 10:35 p.m.

1150 May 22, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

" Steyn’s enemy is not Muslims, its you – effete, panty waste moral equivalencers. That’s why you are so ready to denounce him as a racist, while labeling him a cracker, and call for his silencing, even as you proclaim the right of free speech. Tossers "

I would rather be an " effete panty waste " ( whatever the hell that is, than a name calling, arrogant supporter of someone who is as close to being a Fascist as, well, you. Thanks for compliments and I thang God I am me, one who can smell a racist/bigot in a second. FYI, learn to spell, Dumbo.

GravityLevity2 May 22, 2008 at 10:37 p.m.

From the little I've read of him, I don't find Steyn entertaining. Some people evidently do.

1150: "Steyn’s enemy is not Muslims, its you – effete, panty waste moral equivalencers." Wow, would Steyn completely agree with the first part of that statement? He would probably know it's "it's" and it's "pantywaist", and I hope he would realize it was silly and illogical (i.e. not at all "manly") to call women "effete".

Casey May 22, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.

Correction of typos - sorry

I would rather be an " effete panty waste ", whatever the hell that is, than a name calling, arrogant supporter of someone like Steyn who is as close to being a Fascist as, well, you. Thanks for compliments and I thank God I am me, one who can smell a racist/bigot in a second. FYI, learn to spell, Dumbo.

1150 May 22, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

Dear witless (yes you, Casey)

Your response illustrates my point perfectly. You are guilty of precisely what you denounce in others.

PS panty waste is what I meant.

GravityLevity2
effete has a wide meaning:

Depleted of vitality, force, or effectiveness;
Marked by self-indulgence, triviality, or decadence: an effete group of self-professed intellectuals.
Overrefined; effeminate.
No longer productive; infertile.

choose your insult

Fintan May 23, 2008 at 12:58 a.m.

1150 = the resident parental abuse "survivor" who tries to lessen its inadequacy by bulling, lying, annoying, bluffing and in general making an even more pathetic spectacle of itself. As used and useless as an old and torn rag doll.

How time flies! Now His Lardship is trying to sleep on his 81st night in Coleman as Bubba farts and snores in the next bunk. That leaves 1,719 to go.

I'll be spending the next eight of them in the bosom of nature in the Finnish lakeland. I'm glad I was never the kind of "achiever" His lardship and the terrible Morticia are.

Karma be praised.

1150 May 23, 2008 at 1:36 a.m.

Fintan, you're lack of compassion for, and objectification of, the survivors of parental abuse speaks volumes. a non-acheiver should be more sympathetic.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 1:52 a.m.

fickton, i know it's hard to believe that everyone is not as deceiving as you (and other bells).

at the same time that 1150 was posting his/her post above, i was posting on the previous thread.

by the way, thank you and welcome 1150!

Fintan May 23, 2008 at 1:58 a.m.

"1150", I do indeed have sympathy for the victims of any kind of abuse, cruelty or injustice. But not for those who refuse to seek help, but instead use their real or perceived victimhood as a licence to lie, abuse, threaten, harass and portray others as the same kind of monster that created them. In people like them, the victim has become the victimiser, the cruelty is passed on to another generation, and the sad chain goes on and on.

You need to expose those who did whatever horrible things they did to you. All the meanness that you muster nowadays only gives me great satisfaction at witnessing your frustration and desperation. You are a one-trick nasty, and at the back of your little mind, if it is still capable of rational thought for any longer than a ew seconds at a time, you must always be wondering what I have up my sleeve.

You really would so like to scare me away from the blog, which makes me all the more determined to rub salt in your wounds and those of His Lardship and Morticia as well.

☺

leaf May 23, 2008 at 1:58 a.m.

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Fintan May 23, 2008 at 2:06 a.m.

Yes, a one-trick nasty - and completely ineffectual. Couldn't do anything to stop the tormentor then, can't do anything now. ☹

As Casey would, so aptly, say: "Meh!"

Fintan May 23, 2008 at 2:15 a.m.

I hardly need guess what His Lardship would say about the Schweyn, although his ardour may be lessening in light of the latter's failure to even mention him for the past several months. But why not ask him? Here is the e-mail address. I'm sure Morticia is one one who checks it.

http://www.nationalpost.com/contact/lett...

leaf May 23, 2008 at 2:26 a.m.

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Casey May 23, 2008 at 2:27 a.m.

1150 May 22, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

Meh....

Casey May 23, 2008 at 2:36 a.m.

1150 May 23, 2008 at 1:36 a.m.

Fintan, you're lack of compassion for, and objectification of, the survivors of parental abuse speaks volumes. a non-acheiver should be more sympathetic.

Meh....oh and get a life...Fintan possesses more wisdom and eloquence and intelligence and knowledge in one post than all the drivel you have managed to dreg up to desecrate this blog....stick to web sites that are more your speed, like porn and Nazi/Fascist sites.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 2:44 a.m.

".Fintan possesses more wisdom and eloquence and intelligence and knowledge ......."

as demonstrated in the previous thread ~interview with a creep ~

Fintan May 23, 2008 at 2:53 a.m.

I always know when I'm ruffling the poor little bird's feathers by pointing out the obvious ... more nuisance calls - to what used to be my fax line ...☺

LOL

Farewell, everyone, for a week or so. We're about to leave for the bosom of summer Finland's nature.

back in 8 days.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 3:16 a.m.

good riddance!

this will be a good time for my friend from Surka to check out your pad. thanks for the info ☺

Casey May 23, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 3:16 a.m.

" good riddance!

this will be a good time for my friend from Surka to check out your pad. thanks for the info ☺ "

And I bet Fintan is worried.....NOT.....lol. OOOOOOO you are soooooo scary.....what a jerk you are.....lol.

Casey May 23, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 3:16 a.m.

" this will be a good time for my friend from Surka to check out your pad. thanks for the info ☺ "

Who do you think you're kidding, by the way? You don't have any friends, in Surka or anywhere. You are alone and a lonely, disturbed loser who sits in a darkened room / sewer of your own creation and no one wants anything to do with the likes of you. Get used to it.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

You’re right doug, euhh I mean casey. It’s not really a friend in Surka. More like an internet acquaintance, made possible through a link fickton sent me.
The idiot is always shooting himself in the foot. Kind of like you.

So when will I be arrested casey? Months ago, when you were calling yourself sandy, you had “the group” working on my case. more recently, as casey, you have discovered, thanks to your riches (and your contacts in the big league… that would be TL?... lol…), euh so you have my IP address. Big deal! What cha gonna do with it?
Answer: not a thing.

Wave99 was a lot better at multi posting than you are or ever will be.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 7:25 p.m.

“By the way, Mr. Pickton is innocent until proven guilty.”

Barbara_in_BC May 23, 2008 at 7:33 p.m.

leaf Amiel said:

"Wave99 was a lot better at multi posting than you are or ever will be."

Yes and Conrad was occasionally funny. Too bad he doesn't have e-mail in that Florida jail.

Casey May 23, 2008 at 7:54 p.m.

leaf May 23, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

" So when will I be arrested casey? Months ago, when you were calling yourself sandy, you had “the group” working on my case. more recently, as casey, you have discovered, thanks to your riches (and your contacts in the big league… that would be TL?... lol…), euh so you have my IP address. Big deal! What cha gonna do with it?
Answer: not a thing. "

Leaf controls when it will be arrested and it also knows how to make this happen. Idiots who break the law never win - the law does, eventually. Since it so confident, maybe it is time to test this confidence. And yes, we have its IP address(s), location, identity.

leaf May 24, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.

identity? i doubt that very much.
bring it on. my initials please?

Casey May 24, 2008 at 3:31 p.m.

leaf May 24, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.

identity? i doubt that very much.
bring it on. my initials please?

In your dreams, crackpot. Suffice it say that if we have your ip address(s), you can be sure we have your location and identity. Case closed.

leaf May 25, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

Casey, don’t confuse me with one of the idiots from this blog.
There is NO WAY you have my identity.
I have no problem believing you have my IP. However my ISP would NEVER reveal my identity to you because you have NO BASIS for asking or getting it.
I however know who you are, where you are and what you look like.

This case is far from closed.

Casey May 25, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.

eaf May 25, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

Casey, don’t confuse me with one of the idiots from this blog.
There is NO WAY you have my identity.
I have no problem believing you have my IP. However my ISP would NEVER reveal my identity to you because you have NO BASIS for asking or getting it.
I however know who you are, where you are and what you look like.

This case is far from closed.

Meh.....However, I hope for your sake, your post does not constitute a threat.....which is exactly what we are expecting from you....

Casey May 25, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.

leaf May 25, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

Meh.....However, I hope for your sake, your post does not constitute a threat.....which is exactly what we are expecting from you....You see, you numbskull, WE have law enforcement on our side.....you WILL lose....the law always wins...and I repeat, law enforecent is watching.....what you post, your potential threats, etc. - you get the picture.....

leaf May 25, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.

I however know who you are, where you are and what you look like: this is a FACT. You want to spin it as a threat? Be my guest.

Law enforcement on your side? If you found a law enforcement agent stupid enough or corrupt enough to do you any favors, they’ll eventually need to convince a prosecutor that I need to be prosecuted to pursue this case. good luck there, DB!*

*DB = dumb bell

Casey May 25, 2008 at 3:52 p.m.

leaf May 25, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.

I however know who you are, where you are and what you look like: this is a FACT. You want to spin it as a threat? Be my guest.

" Law enforcement on your side? If you found a law enforcement agent stupid enough or corrupt enough to do you any favors, they’ll eventually need to convince a prosecutor that I need to be prosecuted to pursue this case. good luck there, DB!* "

" *DB = dumb bell"

Meh....and stop polluting this thread and overall blog with your drivel and desperate attempts to engage anyone here because 1) you have no friends and nothing better to do 2) are nuts 3) obssessed with trying to show how err " powerful " you are....NOT. You're a creep with no life and from now on YOU WILL BE IGNORED. Just remember, the law is on MY side, fruitcake. Do yourself a favor and give up and get lost - go back to your kiddie and adult porn sites, neonazi and fascist blogs where you are welcomed with open arms. Here on this blog, you're considered beneath contempt, stupid, very very mentally and emotionally sick - a basic psychopath/ sociopath. Have a good life......blech.

leaf May 25, 2008 at 4:11 p.m.

Casey is a fake, a fraud, a made-up poster born in DB’s uncreative boring mind.

Bring it on, DB!
Bring on the law (which is on YOUR side…lol…) and just shut up about the rest, the repetitive identical insults which you have been serving to anyone since the beginning of this blog.

There is no crime being committed here but there is a serious deontology breach which merits to be paid attention to.
And will.

leaf May 27, 2008 at 1:09 p.m.

When peter Griffiths questioned this site’s impartiality, DB reacted promptly and assigned a new thread to deal with the matter.

I’ve accused DB of being an impersonator on his own blog, no less than donna, sandy, casey, jello, Jeanne and a bunch of others too many to remember.

His response? other than the usual meaningless insults: NONE!

That speaks volumes if you ask me…

Barbara_in_BC May 27, 2008 at 1:32 p.m.

leaf: You accused the blog writer of being an impersonator? And you are upset that he remained silent about that silly remark?

The only thing this says to me is that bloggers ignore trolls.

leaf May 27, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.

just one question blondie: where do you get "upset"?

Barbara_in_BC May 27, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

The reason why leaf posts even though she's not upset:

"Trolls can be identified by their disengagement from a conversation or argument. They do not believe what they say, but merely say it for effect.

If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to you, then you are probably being trolled."

leaf May 27, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

For no apparent reason, blondie refers to me as “upset”; without any explanation, blondie turns 180° and declares: “even though she's not upset”. Welcome to blondie’s logical world.

In an attempt to sound articulate and educated, blondie, once again, posts someone else’s words, demonstrating once again, her lack of analysis.

Your contribution to this blog, blondie, is incommensurable and I hope it helps elevate your self-esteem because it is doing sweet nothing else.

Casey May 27, 2008 at 8:17 p.m.

leaf May 25, 2008 at 4:11 p.m.
leaf May 27, 2008 at 1:09 p.m.
leaf May 27, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.
leaf May 27, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

Meh....and unadulterated garbage.....poor leaf - hopeless soul desperate for any interaction even if we are all not only laughing at this psychopath but we are also making fun of him....lol - this horrible treatment of leaf at least lets him / her know that he / she exists....barely.....lmao

Barbara_in_BC May 28, 2008 at 12:40 a.m.

leaf is bitter that I didn't come up with my own definition of a troll, but the one I used describes her to a T.

leaf May 28, 2008 at 11:32 a.m.

“…we are all not only laughing…”

casey dear, impersonating many posters does not make you many persons. You are still only ONE imposter.

When will your law enforcement get moving? If nothing else, you could sue me for diffamation. I think you have all the proof you need. Let me know if you need more.
I’ve posted threats but you had them removed. Are you afraid to get to the bottom of this?

IF, as you claim, you know my identity, why do you keep referring to me as he/she?

Hot air casey is one of his names
Bluffing is one of his games.

leaf May 28, 2008 at 11:40 a.m.

Blondie thinks leaf is “upset”
Blondie thinks leaf is “not upset”
Blondie thinks “leaf is bitter”
Blondie thinks leaf is Barbara amiel
Blondie thinks leaf is alanah black
Blondie thinks Lit200 is Barbara amiel
Blondie thinks J2B2 is jonathan black
Blondie thinks death caused by drunk driving is accidental

Really… who cares what blondie thinks?

Barbara_in_BC May 28, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.

leaf Amiel is the last member of the Black family who is still posting here. The good host gave you space to vent on this blog and it did no good. So move on.

leaf May 28, 2008 at 2:12 p.m.

like i said, who cares what you think?!!!

and if nothing else, i've exposed all of you as plagiarists ----> donna etc, roger, fickton and the famous blondie from BC.

not to mention the lies, contradictory statements and in your case, your total uselessness.

bravo moi!

Barbara_in_BC May 28, 2008 at 2:46 p.m.

leaf: "i've exposed all of you as plagiarists"

Silly leaf, we're not journalists, we're people who post on the Toronto Life blog. It's the weblog writer who must be original, not the people who make comments on his entries.

leaf May 28, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

enough with you blondie. you're just too plain vacuous for me.

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Barbara_in_BC May 28, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.

I do feel sorry for you leaf, but I can't let false statements stand uncorrected.