Fintan March 26, 2008 at 2:38 p.m.

"it’s all over but the crying (and the appeal)"

Well, maybe that's not all. Surely I can continue gloating that His lardship and Morticia have gotten such a comeuppance? After all, it's not every day a big neocon crook ends up in jail and demonstrates that, in the long run, karma - like the mounties - always get the bad guys. LOL

kjopc March 26, 2008 at 3:30 p.m.

Why has the Ontario Securities Commission always run away from Conrad Black like a toothless tabby cat?

Here's my prediction...

1. The OSC will drop all proceedings against Black, arguing that he's been convicted in a criminal court, was sent to prison and there's nothing to be gained by further actions.
2. Black's lawyers overturn his criminal conviction on a technicality.
3. Black gets out of jail.
4. Black claims the Ontario Securities Commission validated his innocence when it abandoned the "nonsensical" allegations.
5. Lard Black lives happily on the stolen millions he has tucked away, confiding in friends how clever he has been to outsmart Canada's securities regulators.
6. Black launches numerous defamation lawsuits against his detractors and the news media, pointing to the lack of concern/enforcement by regulatory authorities.

GravityLevity2 March 26, 2008 at 5:04 p.m.

Kimmy in a previous thread: "Yes I do think Black needs to watch his back because the ratio of inmates to guards is one where people do get hurt and it's not always born out lack of duty but instead limited resources, either not enough staff to protect everyone all the time or staff who could care less about what happens to criminals by criminals (warped thinking). There are good and bad inside and outside of the prison walls but I assure you that there is way more bad behind that prison wall."

No, no, Kimmy, not at Coleman; it's a private-sector, free-enterprise, for-profit facility; so of course it will be sufficiently staffed with well trained people. . . . Just ask Lit how effectively non-unionized capitalism works.
Unless of course Coleman's run like Black/ Radler newspapers, where the gruesome duo delighted in drowning kittens.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 6:59 p.m.

GravityLevity2 March 26, 2008 at 5:04 p.m.

You mean like those private sector nursing / seniors homes? For every one that has a decent rep ten are corrupt. Not really a stretch to assume possibility ( frankly, probability ) that institutions like Coleman may be corrupt as well. Kimmy was simply pointing out that no one on the outside really knows what kinds of " horrors " take place behind the razor / barbed wire fences and cinder block walls of prisons in any country in the world. I sure don't want to be the guinea pig to find out if kimmy is correct. And private sector, shmector - CB's statement that he is " fine " and that Coleman is a " civilaized and not dangerous place " is all relative.....

jade_lee March 26, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.

The one and only private-sector prison in Ontario is now run by the government. The private jail did not live up to the expectations that our previous conservative government claimed it would. The death ratio was much higher in the privately run prison......go figure.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:47 p.m.

Kimmy

"Unless of course Coleman's run like Black/ Radler newspapers, where the gruesome duo delighted in drowning kittens."

OMG. Now i have heard everything. This is intelligent discourse?

jade_lee March 26, 2008 at 8:53 p.m.

I didn't type that lit so why do you associate me with that?
Take note, it appears to have been written in jest. Don't you ever have a sense of humour Lit? Or is you loyalty such a strong feeling that put downs of Black hurt you deeply?

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:53 p.m.

Grav/Lev

"I sure don't want to be the guinea pig to find out if kimmy is correct. And private sector, shmector - CB's statement that he is " fine " and that Coleman is a " civilaized and not dangerous place " is all relative..... "

It sure is. If I personally had to choose locales for personal safety? I would choose Coleman over certain "free" areas in Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Vancouver BC, Toronto, Mexico City, Kingston, Jamaica. These are areas I know something about. Undoubtedly there are others all over the world that are a lot more dangerous than the minimum security federal prison at Coleman, Florida.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:56 p.m.

I didn't type that lit so why do you associate me with that?
Take note, it appears to have been written in jest. Don't you ever have a sense of humour Lit? Or is you loyalty such a strong feeling that put downs of Black hurt you deeply?

I really apologize. I forgot. Accusing someone of drowing kittens is hilarious.

Sorry

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 9 p.m.

Since Casey is haunting this site, I will re-post from another thread:

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:36 p.m.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.

" The fact is, and the untold story is, that Tweedy Browne got into Hollinger to try to take it over. Everything stems from that. " lit_200

Casey says: "Spoken like a true ostrich whose head is so buried in the sand that it will never be dug out. Your explanation is not only incorrect but totally ignores even the negative ( reads like horror story ) street talk about CB, Hollinger, et.al for YEARS up to and including 2002, was so God awful that no one in their right mind would invest in Hollinger stock.

Answer one simple question: when did Tweedy Browne first invest in Hollinger? Don't bother to look it up, I will tell you: it was 1999. (And why? because they had previously invested in other companies owned by Black and did very well - but that's beside the point). So if the freaking "talk" about Hollinger and Black was so friggin' bad "for years" on the street, as you aver - WHY IN HELL DID TWEEDY BROWNE INVEST IN HOLLINGER IN 1999?

WHY? Please try to answer this question TRUTHFULLY and if you can... we will move on, but unless you can answer that question, I won't dicuss this issue with you any further.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:42 p.m.

Donna made these very same arguments last summer and I demolished her then. now "Casey" is making the very same arguments, even to the same phraseology. I am not making any charges, just observing.

kimmy March 26, 2008 at 8:50 p.m.

lit it's not that Hollinger was a bad investment, it was a fact accepted by a jury that a few bad apples were stealing!

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.

Kimmy

As far as I am concerned, it was a fact (that false charges of) stealing was accepted by a jury that had the wool pulled over its eyes.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 9:14 p.m.

I do apologise Kimmy, it was that font of wisdom Grav/lev that made the comments about drowning kittens, not you. Error on my part.

GravityLevity2 March 27, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.

no, Lit, I was quoting Black's reaction when he was asked what it was like firing newspaper staff whom Radler and/or he considered redundant when they took over a paper.

You should keep in mind the more disgusting things about this man whom you insist in portraying as an utter spotless victimised innocent in his running of Hollinger. Don't try to pass his flip words off as originating with me.

I assume Black and co. would do the same with prison staff if Black and co. were running a for-profit prison, and speak of it in the same flip way.

Casey March 27, 2008 at 1:45 a.m.

" You should keep in mind the more disgusting things about this man whom you insist in portraying as an utter spotless victimised innocent in his running of Hollinger. Don't try to pass his flip words off as originating with me.

I assume Black and co. would do the same with prison staff if Black and co. were running a for-profit prison, and speak of it in the same flip way. " -
" GravityLevity2 March 27, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.

I have reached the conclusion that it is utterly impossible for lit_200 to view the facts of the trial AND CB, himself, as anything but a sham, for the former and an honest, ethical and honorable businessman for the latter. Throughout his shameful corporate career and with his awesomely overthetop personal lifestyle, CB gave new meaning to to the words " embezzler ", " conspicuous consumption ", " greed " and " excess ". It is beyond lit's ability to see CB in any other light than as in a fawning, groveling and idolizing manner. Therefore, anthing that CB ever did and does is viewed through a distorted and rather twisted and warped prism. I have for all intents and purposes given up on lit - there is really no way to engage in meaningful discourse with him vis a vis CB, etc. because lit, himself, is incapable of rational thought - the more he posts, the more obvious this analysis becomes and it is sad and rather pathetic.....for lit and for anyone trying to have an open and honest discussion with this individual.
My opinion is that you waste your time now with lit.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 2:12 a.m.

Absolutely right, Casey, Lit is either a prankster just winding us all up by deliberately posting unreal and manifestly absurd opinions or else a truly delusional fool completely enraptured by the Dark Lord of CrossMordor.

You are right about His Lardship's reputation being questionable on the street in NYC at that time. Indeed, ask yourself why did he decide to go public in the USA in the first place? After all, London had become the main scene of his and Morticia's frantic social climbing, kissing Thatcher's arse, pouring money into the Conservative party, buying a seat in the House of Lards and so on.

But, the London world of finance is not populated by fools. There, they can usually smell a rat - and there was more than a powerful rodentine stench from His Lardship. Even his own stockbrokers refused to have anything to do with him after a couple of questionable events. There was no way he could raise serious money in London any longer. Thus he was forced to try his luck in New York. Bad mistake! Karma be praised.

On the subject of prison safety (or non-safety) in the USA, surely poor lit could use her googling skills (LOL) to look up some statistics. How many serious assaults/homicides, how many reported cases of rape per year in all Federal prisons, all low-security ones, specifically Colemen low-security, and so on.

Doing that would help keep her mind off her present troubles.

ROFLMAO

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 2:44 a.m.

What do you get for a guy who has everything - mansions, luxury cars, executive jets, but is on his way to a Federal Pound Your Arse Institution for the Morally and Ethically Handicapped?

Answer, this book. Hopefully Morticia bought him a copy before he "went away", as she so delicately put it:

http://fedsgotme.com/

On a less-funny note, this blog indicates that conditions in Coleman are far from being as rosy as His Lardship Baron CrossHubris seems to think they are.

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthr...

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 8:06 a.m.

Since we're reposting from a previous thread:

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 7:30 a.m.

Casey you don't read. I have said many times that I don't like many aspects of Conrad Black's character. I wouldn't have him as a friend. I do not share his right-wing views.

OK? This is nothing new on this blog. I have said it before.

I find no difficulty whatsoever in holding at the same time the view that he was shafted by the USDJ, that he was unfairly convicted, that he may have been greedy but that he had no criminal intent to either obstruct or defraud.

In particular, the conviction of Kipnis was a total and inexcusable perversion of justice. That man is and was a straight shooter - that rarity an honest lawyer - who had his life ruined by a prosecution team that went way overboard. Even the judge had to overturn one of the convictions that the prosecution managed to get against him.

As far as the non-compete/bonuses go, what the execs at Hollinger took was as nothing compared to the bonuses that execs of other companies are taking today, despite running their companies' stock into the ground (which Black did NOT do).

Examples are numerous and easy to find. Try Home Depot for a starter, or ask Fintan, he is an expert on googling and presenting internet information as his own. He's also a master of crude sexual insults with a decidedly misogynist twist.

I am rather pleased that you feel you are wasting time debating me. Tell you what: don't respond to my observations on this blog in the future.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 8:11 a.m.

Lit about me: "He's also a master of crude sexual insults with a misogynist twist."

Why thank you, Clit. I try to please. I'm glad you acknowledge that I have more than one string to my bow. I'm not bad at subtle sexual insults, either, but I guess you missed them.

My theme this time is Casey's summation of you as someone who does not and will not and could not get it. Black is white, good is bad, the half-empty glass is full and the sh1t hitting the back of you neck does not come from the pigs flying overhead.

I'll return to one of your more ridiculous assertions on a thread several back. I can't be bothered to look up the exact words, but you suggested that the Finns were almost solely responsible for the polluted state of the Baltic Sea - as though that had anything to do with His Lardship's criminality, Morticia's greed and nastiness, or me personally.

However, and I mention this not to boast, but merely to point out that I have some tangible expertise in the matter, I am not only a master of sexual insults, but also hold a Master's degree (honours) in geographical analysis, with the specialism environmental resource management.

Against that background, let me point out the following:

The Baltic is very susceptible to nutrients and environmental toxins because of its brackishness, shallowness and shape as well as the slow turnover rate of its small volume of water. It is estimated that it takes about 30 years for its water to be replaced. The Gulf of Finland suffers from a greater environmental load than any other part of the sea. The city of St. Petersburg at its eastern end has a greater population than the whole of Finland.

The core of the problem is the size of the Baltic catchment area – it is about four times larger than the surface area of the sea. Almost 90 million people live in the catchment area, which reaches into 14 different states. There is lots of industry, inhabitation and agriculture in all of these parts and a constant flow of environmental toxins and nutrients drains into the sea from them.

But lit believes the 5 million Finns - one sixteenth of the total population of the catchment - are the main culprits for the algal blooms that occur in hot summers! LOL

How surprising that the other states with Baltic shorelines (8 of them) have not yet become vocal critics of Finland. Instead, we are all working together to try and solve a big problem and no one is blaming anyone else.

All this shows, of course, how Lit adopts the same tactics and Morticia and the Schweyn: attack the other person for a supposed failing and try to divert attention from the main argument.

Not that algal blooms in the Baltic are anywhere near the top of His lardship's and Morticia's worry list right now.

ROFLMAO

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 8:16 a.m.

It seems to me that many posters here take a great deal of satisfaction from Conrad Black's incarceration BECAUSE they don't like him. If he wasn't guilty of all the charges brought against him, well, he is still a nasty neocon and deserves everything he got for that reason.

Dangerous ground to defend, dontcha think?

And a note to Grav/Lev:

It is one thing to refer to firing employees being as distasteful as drowning kittens and quite another to refer to Black and Radler as "the gruesome duo [who] delighted in drowning kittens."

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 8:21 a.m.

Correction, typo:

"All this shows, of course, how Lit adopts the same tactics and Morticia and the Schweyn:"

should be

"All this shows, of course, how Lit adopts the same tactics as Morticia and the Schweyn:"

Casey March 27, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.

" They were pissed that they could not get past Black...".

" Black responded by saying, OK, you think things are out of line, let's set up an investigating committee to check into the company. Enter Breeden who, for all I know, was in cahoots with Tweedy Browne. After all, he soon after created his own hedge fund with the express purpose of buying into companies, " infiltrating their boards with his own staff, and thereby gaining control of promising companies (H&R Block, Applebees etc) with relatively small shares of the outstanding stock. "
" Breeden's report was then a foregone conclusion. "
- Lit_200

Trying for last time to figure out your " analysis " of early Hollinger debacle, I copied some of your more ridiculous statements above in that " fiction " you consider the " truth " above. -

They could not get past Black? Please explain THIS witticism...lol. And naturally, you speak from first hand errrr knowledge......
Accusation that Breeden may have been allied with Chris Browne - you bet they may indeed have been allies - trying to get to the bottom of what sinister forces lay at heart of Hollinger - thank goodness for Breeden and his expertise. There is ZERO proof that he went into investigation to figure out a way to destroy Hollinger / get rid of Black - this is all conjecture on your part.
Re " corporate kleptocracy " - how else to define the disappearance of coupled with ascension of Black lifestyle of 92.5% of Hollinger profits from 1997 - 2003 OR approx. 400 million dollars? Surely, lit has an explanation of WHERE all this money was.....? Therefore, please explain to this blog what happened to almost all of Hollinger's profits.
This is, as stated above, my final attempt to tell you yet again what a sad example for a naive and unquestioning and blind supporter you are and have been of probably one of the past decade's most blatantly arrogant corporate crooks anywhere........

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 8:38 a.m.

Lit, the true believer: "It seems to me that many posters here take a great deal of satisfaction from Conrad Black's incarceration BECAUSE they don't like him. If he wasn't guilty of all the charges brought against him, well, he is still a nasty neocon and deserves everything he got for that reason."

Rephrased:

"It seems to me that many posters here take more satisfaction from Conrad Black's incarceration than they would if there were anything to like about him. He was lucky to get off on many of the charges brought against him, but they managed to make enough of them stick to put his nasty neocon arse in the slammer for a few years and I guess that's OK."

LOL

PCLG March 27, 2008 at 8:54 a.m.

YIKES! There are two of them now, i and h

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/fro...

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.

Actually, that was an informative post from the Finn. What a welcome change! I am so pleased that my gratuitous comment pushed him into saying something interesting for a change.

Casey March 27, 2008 at 9:14 a.m.

" There is ZERO proof that he went into investigation to figure out a way to destroy Hollinger / get rid of Black - this is all conjecture on your part. " from my original post above

Moreover, had CB followed through with his initial promise to Breeden, et.al that he would repay something like 32 million dollars instead of agreeing to do initially and then reversing his decision and doublecrossing Breede, CB just might be free today. SECOND blunder and miscalculation by CB. CB was master of his own fate back then and now his fate lies in hands of US Federal Penal System. Arrogance ( in face of Breeden Investigation ), dishonesty, dishonour = huge mistake, criminal charges, convictions, jail sentence.

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 9:24 a.m.

PCLG

OMG - he's spreading the same BS in other blogs? How many? five? ten?

This is a man on a mission!

leaf March 27, 2008 at 11 a.m.

a man on a mission? you have no idea. when he's not posting here, he's posting on various sites, using his favorite posters' names.

or, this man with 2 degrees, makes up registrations on various sites.
here is the latest one i've received:

From: "webmaster@thespoof.com" <webmaster@thespoof.com>
To: leaf.deblogger@yahoo.com

Spoof News, Satire and Comedy from TheSpoof.com
===============================================

Jonathan Black,

Thank you for your interest in becoming a writer for The Spoof!

To confirm your email address, please visit the following link:

http://www.thespoof.com/confirm.cfm?cID=...

When you revisit the site on any other occasion, you will be asked to login using these details:

Email: leaf.deblogger@yahoo.com
Password: fu?kconrad

----------

this account has now been deleted and another one has been created in fickton's name and email adress.

guess what is user name is?

chi?d r?pist

password: paedophile

aren't we having fun, fickton?

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 11:08 a.m.

So THAT's who is using my ID in other blogs! That's pretty low in my opinion.

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

Casey March 27, 2008 at 9:14 a.m.

" There is ZERO proof that he went into investigation to figure out a way to destroy Hollinger / get rid of Black - this is all conjecture on your part. " from my original post above"

It is? What proof have you got that I am wrong?

I still say Tweedy Browne wanted to knock Holinger stock down, buy more shares at a cheap price, and take over.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

Poor Morticia, LOL!

How mortifying it must be to have the local self-described "shiny sheet" laugh at her discomfiture.

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/soc/co...

On the bright side, having to wear turtlenecks may not be such a bad thing. They hide the turkeyneck.

And here she gets an unfavourable mention for her advocacy of chemical enhancement.

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoen...

Poor old Morticia, what will be the next misfortune to befall her?

leaf March 27, 2008 at 11:20 a.m.

yes Lit.
fickton has been using your ID as well as mine, peter griffiths and cory privatera, to write pretty much the same thing he's been writing here for ages.

if it's any consolation, i've been spreading his phone # around.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 11:23 a.m.

More ravings from the resident stalker, who is so obsessed with me. I seem to have hit the Jekyll-Hyde transformation switch again. I think I'll try and think up a few more posts about His Lardship and his soap-related problems and Morticia's more obvious failings. That should bring Cory Privatera out from under the rocks as well.

ROFLMAO @ that pathetic, malice-filled, but powerless hydra.

By the way, still waiting for that proof I asked for a couple of days ago.

All bluster, no action. Bit like His Lardship really.

Ha-ha-ha!

leaf March 27, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

hey azzhole,

where were you when i posted the proof in 4 different installments on this blog?

i ain't posting it again.
you want it so bad? look for it in the archives and shut your cornhole, you parasite.

go suck a camel.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 11:38 a.m.

The hydra never posted any proof, but continues to bluster and bluff and lie, just like His Lardship. Nothing new, just a lot of self-projection.

The advice to "shut my cornhole" might be better addressed to His Lardship, as mine is not in the same jeopardy as his is. Not only shut it, but keep his back to the wall. ROFL

As for "sucking a camel", at least I'd be free to do that if I had the inclination. His Lardship can't even suck a cigarette of that marque in the no-smoking hoosegow. If he's really careful and lucky and Bubba turns out to be less domineering that feared, he won't have to suck anything else, either.

BMAL

leaf March 27, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.

the proof was posted in 4 installments on this blog.
you cried and cried, imploring TL to delete my posts and doing your usual whining about the rules and "how can leaf get away calling me a paedophile - boo hoo this is a crazy world - i contacted the RCMP - boo hoo i'm gonna get a gun..." etc etc....

the conclusion post was deleted but the first 3 posts are still there. go look for them you lazy bum and stop your sobbing and begging.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 11:59 a.m.

That leaf is a liar is well-established. Just as the fact that His Lardship is a convicted felon now in the hoosegow and there for years. Karma be praised.

Now I say again: put up or shut up. Besides, if she had posted anything even resembling real "proof", why am I still here, driving her crazy, to the point of foaming at the mouth and screeching incoherently and ineffectually into a recording device? Trying to stop me making fun of that clown and loser Conrad. Poor leafie, loves him so and now she can't feel his pudgy fingers in that special place. Boo-hoo! LOL

The worse things get for His Lardship, Morticia and those others close to him who refuse to recognise reality, the more desperate leaf becomes.

What a loser!

ROFLMAO at such idiocy.

Casey March 27, 2008 at 12:03 p.m.

It is? What proof have you got that I am wrong? - lit_200

One, because my statement of fact is more plausible, sensible and most likely to be correct and two,your so calle " proof " that your statement is fact is ummmm what again? Please do not forget to also enlighten this board as to 1) why CB felt it necessary to ignore Chrie Browne initially 2 ) why CB blew him off when the two finally DID meet 2 years later 3) the so called explanation for all those behind the scenes emails by CB claiming that he, himself owed little if any explanation, considered Hollinger his company.......yadda, yadda, yadda 4) where that 400 million dollars disappeared to....we are still awaiting your explanations.
I also apologize for going back on my promise to remain in discourse with you - consider your reply to my questions as the final time I shall visit this particular Hollinger / CB miscalculations of his position as a CEO of a public company answerable to shareholders, misunderstanding of his importance vis a vis Chris Browne and Breeden, and loss of all those monies mentioned above. Have a good night and best wishes for a reasonably coherent and sensible response...we are all waiting here...

Casey March 27, 2008 at 12:07 p.m.

again sorry for so many typos above but rushing here and no time to fix them.....

leaf March 27, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.

for an innocent man, you sure make a big stink of the accusation, fickton.

that doesn't look good.

your defensiveness makes you look quite guilty.

CB is of no concern to me. you are. your time will come. i'm not giving up.

laugh your yellow laugh. you'll never have enough guns to avoid what's coming to you.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 12:16 p.m.

Casey, asking Lit for "proof" is as futile as asking "leaf" for it. All the tiny pro-Black band has left is denial, frustration, bitterness, malice, spite and an unlimited willingness, but fortunately extremely limited ability to engage in mischief-making.

Woe betide their enemies, actual or perceived, if they had any power left, but now they are reduced to silly nuisance phone calls (as if it were a big deal to change a number in a country like Finland - which isn't at all like Lit's present domicile, LOL) and crank accusations of crimes. They are more to be pitied than laughed at, but I'm only human, and seeing them flailing around in such frustration appeals to my rather impish mind and tickles my fantasy.

The more leaf rants, the more satisfied I am that I am scoring a bullseye on the most sensitive nerves.

LOL

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 12:18 p.m.

See, as I just said: leaf escalates the threats, but it's all a big flatulent bag of wind.

Still no proof.

leaf March 27, 2008 at 12:21 p.m.

as you wish blowhard. don't say you haven't been warned.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

LOL - bring it on windbag! You are so full of malice that if you could do anything realistic, you would have done it long ago. Better hurry up - I have to be in India before 8 April.

Meanwhile, His lardship is ... well, you know it how it continues by now ... and Morticia is [deleted by Moderator] and J[delted by Moderator]

Slapping my thighs. Thanks for a good laugh. My dog is looking accusingly at me and asking why I'm wasting time with such a toerag loser. Back again to taunt poor little leafie and mock His Lardship of Crosswayshagged and "Lady" Morticia and Jonathan ("Dodgems") in a while.

LOL

GravityLevity2 March 27, 2008 at 1:01 p.m.

so, Lit, "the drowning kittens" metaphor employed by Black was a heartfelt expression of regret, and not the flip snickering witticism/ insult I took it to be.
I'd say that was flat-out "Nonsense" except that, upon reflection I realize that Black seldom has expressed regret in his life. So, who knows, maybe comparing the sort of employees he elsewhere compared to a gangerous limb, infelicitously to kittens (not adult, unable to fight back effectually) was an attempt at regret by someone who is very unpracticed at it.

As for your implying we want Black in jail and believe he's guilty because we don't like him and his neo-con ideology, here's how it goes for me.

1. Criminal behaviour is a form of anti-social behaviour.

2. Conrad Black was engaged in many forms of anti-social behaviour from his youth onward. A couple of times his anti-social behaviour brought him into brushes with the law, but did not result in outright convictions, as restituion was made or promises given by Black, under legal pressure.

3. This pattern of anti-social behaviour made him a disagreeable, even disgusting person to many, including myself.

4. When he was charged and convicted of actual crimes, many, including myself found the charges and convictions credible, partly (not totally) because they were part of a previous pattern of anti-social, sometimes nearly illegal behaviour on his part.

5. WE feel that it is a good thing that it be pointed out to Conrad Black, David Radler, and others (who might think greed, sharp practices, and ultimate toying with the law were a logical corolary of the neo-con emphasis on individual self-interest), that anti-social behaviour carried into criminality runs the risk of being arrested and even punished.

Casey March 27, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.

GravityLevity2 March 27, 2008 at 1:01 p.m.

Excellent analysis which hopefully will put to shame and halt lit_200's blind assertions that CB is an innocent man convicted on trumped up charges and wrongfully imprisoned. Precisely what I have tought since day one and have pretty much stated same as well. Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 2:14 p.m.

Gravitylevity2, I concur with Casey. You have presented a very clear and concise, step-by-step analysis, but I fear it will be wasted on Lit. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see.

Lit_200 March 27, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.

Casey:

"One, because my statement of fact is more plausible, sensible and most likely to be correct,"

I agree with this 100 per cent when applied to Black's explanation of why he gathered up his personal belongings from his office in Toronto.

----

Of course you agree Fintan, you hate CB and BA for personal reasons and it's OK with you that CB is in jail, whether he's guilty or not.

The good news is: one less neocon, right? The only good neocon is a dead neocon [or a jailed one] right?

Bah.

Fintan March 27, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

Very tetchy, Lit. Please explain my "personal" reasons for, as you put it, "hating", and as I put it, feeling disgust at His Lardship and Morticia. Do I know them personally? Hmm... Please tell me, then, who you think I am, and why I seem to be so well-informed. Are you calling in the "plumbers" to search for the leak? LOL

Of course it would be OK for someone as evil as His Lardship and Morticia to be in jail or in some other desperate plight, because they have built up so much bad karma. But it's even better when his own hubris blinds him to the banana skin on that tricky stepping stone in the middle of sh1t creek and he actually breaks not only the spirit, but also the letter of the law, as a jury found. He never had any criticism of American justice before. Now that he himself has fallen afoul of it, because he stole from the rich and not employees of a retail chain, he should just be enough of a mensch (note that I did not use the sexist "enough of a man" - not even to annoy you!) to suck it up and take his punishment.

I can't wait to see what you will write after his appeal is shot down in flames and the real tragedy and all its consequences hits home. LMAO

Casey March 27, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

" Of course it would be OK for someone as evil as His Lardship and Morticia to be in jail or in some other desperate plight, because they have built up so much bad karma. But it's even better when his own hubris blinds him to the banana skin on that tricky stepping stone in the middle of sh1t creek and he actually breaks not only the spirit, but also the letter of the law, as a jury found. He never had any criticism of American justice before. Now that he himself has fallen afoul of it, because he stole from the rich and not employees of a retail chain, he should just be enough of a mensch (note that I did not use the sexist "enough of a man" - not even to annoy you!) to suck it up and take his punishment. " - Fintan

Terrific piece of posting and I am in agreement completely.

Butch_McLarty March 28, 2008 at 9:22 a.m.

Lord Tubby not so tubby anymore?

"But sitting in the waiting room [of Coleman-Low Correctional Institution in Florida], nervously smoothing my hair (no comb allowed) and hoping I looked good for Conrad, who is looking particularly well having lost weight, my head was in spin cycle." ~ Barbara Amiel in her March 31, 2008, page 14 Maclean's column (not yet available online).

Butch_McLarty March 28, 2008 at 9:24 a.m.

http://www.altlondon.org will now be carrying a regular feature called (something to the effect of) "How's Lord Tubby doin' in The Joint?"

kjopc March 28, 2008 at 1:49 p.m.

Conrad Black's story about the cartons he removed could be setting his longtime secretary up for a perjury charge. If he insists he was just carting away personal stuff on May 20, 1995, his statement contradicts Joan Maida's testimony. She said she packed the boxes so she could work from home. Of course, Lard Black's boxes never went to her home because that was never the reason for spiriting them out of the office.

Although Black knew there were security cameras, he was under the mistaken belief that they still weren't working. He was unaware that the camera system that he pointed at was fixed a few hours before his arrival.

Of course, we all know that Black sent Maida to do his dirty work and when that errand was foiled by security, the "irritated" Black took matters into his own hands. It was that important to him.

Keep spinning the obstruction count Connie... you'll eventually take everyone down with you!

Jeanne March 28, 2008 at 4:41 p.m.

Casey said: ..."which hopefully will put to shame and halt lit_200's blind assertions that CB is an innocent man convicted on trumped up charges and wrongfully imprisoned."

Long experience shows that nothing will accomplish this, Casey. On the bright side, no one has to read Lit's drivel, either, and you won't miss anything but the same old, same old by skipping it.

JonathanR April 10, 2008 at 2:22 a.m.

No doubt Conrad did his research and read books like Federal Prison- A Comprehensive Survival Guide available at www.federal-prison.org. On 6 years, he can expect to qualify for 282 days of Good Time Credit, be eligible for halfway house after 1,726 days and be released after 1,908 days.