Fintan March 24, 2008 at 12:14 p.m.

"Now we’re talking. Prisoners in the American system are by definition banished from the regime of rights and freedoms from which they have strayed. They are being as much punished as rehabilitated. Therefore, it’s important to point out that no tax money—hard earned by law-abiding citizens—is wasted on these miscreants. And, of course, the criminals’ e-mails are closely “monitored” to ensure public safety."

Quite right, too! His Lardship is being punished for his crimes. He shouldn't have done them if he wasn't willing to pay the penalty. As for rehabilitation, surely that presupposes some acceptance of guilt, some preparedness to accept that one has done wrong and a willingness to learn how to behave in a non-criminal and moral way once one has been allowed to return to the status of a free citizen with full civil rights?

Why should the American penal system put any effort or expense into trying to rehabilitate a criminal who, despite a lengthy trial by a jury of his peers and the tens of millions of dollars spent on his defence - coupled with the fact that he can count himself lucky not to have been convicted on several other charges as well - maintains that he has done absolutely nothing wrong and persists in threatening to wreak vengeance on those he believes have "wronged" him?

Besides, he will not be a part of American society after his release. As a convicted felon, he will be treated as a undesirable unworthy to live in American society and given the bum's rush back to the only country that has no choice but to accept him - however reluctantly - the UK.

It would be grotesque if a criminal and accomplished manipulator like His Lardship were to be given uncontrolled and unmonitored access to the Internet, or indeed any possibility at all of uncensored communication with the outside world.

After all, e-mail was one of the instruments that he made use of when committing his crimes. Now, in an election year, what guarantee is there that he would continue to, in effect, churn out propaganda for the presidential candidate he supports and thereby try to achieve a pardon for his crimes? In other words, how can anyone be sure that he will not try to pervert justice again?

Thanks, Casey, for your comments on the last thread. But there is no point in wasting your efforts on the great denier and liar.

In less than three hours from now it will have been three weeks since the crook went to the place where he belongs. That means about 283 weeks to go before the world has to put up with his pompous bluster and evil wrongdoing again. And I think by the time he gets out he may have learned some humility and contrition. And one way of ensuring that is to prevent him from being able to manipulate anything on the outside.

Karma be praised.

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 12:21 p.m.

Sorry, typo:

"Now, in an election year, what guarantee is there that he would continue to, in effect, churn out propaganda ..."

That should, of course, read:

"Now, in an election year, what guarantee is there that he would NOT continue to, in effect, churn out propaganda ..."

In other words, brown-tongue the warmonger McCain and cast further implicit racial slurs on the attractive Mrs. O'Bama. LOL

I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to activate the inbuilt spellcheck in Mozilla Firefox.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:07 p.m.

After all, e-mail was one of the instruments that he made use of when committing his crimes - fintan

no you moron, he was convicted on mail fraud for mailing the companies financials to the suditing board, not email fraud. You enjoy making things up, I would say that you are a much bigger Fraud than any one else brought into question on this website.

What if you were falsely convicted of a crime, would you bend over to the system??

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:07 p.m.

(sic) auditing board

Casey March 24, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.

Loved and obviously agreed with both Doug Bell's wonderfully informative and very appreciated explanation of prison email system, rule, etc. AND with Fintan's thought provoking and insightful comments re CB's use of system and his status as a prisoner / convicted felon. Both posts leave me with nothing to add except a thanks and a wish that future posts on this entire blog by Fintan and others who take same seriously are as interesting. Another wish - to figure out a way to muzzle or stifle or simply ban the drivel, insults and horrible abuse of posters such as cory_privatera aka probably leaf. Just plain sad at this point.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

Both posts leave me with nothing to add except a thanks and a wish that future posts on this entire blog by Fintan and others who take same seriously are as interesting. - Casey

translation; this is sh1t speak for: I'm cyber stroking anyone who will cyber stroke me and agree with all of mine and fukton's diobolical jibber jabber and hate speach!!

Casey March 24, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.
" translation; this is sh1t speak for: I'm cyber stroking anyone who will cyber stroke me and agree with all of mine and fukton's diobolical jibber jabber and hate speach!! " = drivel, abuse, garbage, and REAL " hate speech ". This poster is simply incapable of behaving politely and deserves all the neagativity he / she hurls towards others.

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

I see the drink-driving son has regained his composure somewhat, enough to get online again and nearly well enough to spell. LOL

Once again, I repeat: His Lardship made extensive use of e-mails in his criminal activities, as months of testimony during his trial revealed. It would be the greatest of folly to allow him to have anything other than monitored communications with the outside world - except, of course, when he has privileged contact with his legal counsel.

By the way, I found out how to activate the spellcheck in the Mozilla Firefox browser. It's in the "Organize Bookmarks" function under "Edit Firefox". Maybe the semi-literate Cory should try it. LOL

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

I see the drink-driving son has regained his composure somewhat, enough to get online again and nearly well enough to spell. LOL

whatever, nut case.

Once again, I repeat: His Lardship made extensive use of e-mails in his criminal activities, as months of testimony during his trial revealed - fuktan

all juries said there was no smoking gun, cite one single source where an email was attributed to a crime. Just try it, this excercise will prove how ignorant you really are.

By the way, I found out how to activate the spellcheck in the Mozilla Firefox browser. - fuktan

your arrogance knows no bounds, who gives a fuk about your computer you goof?? other than one or 2 psycophants here, you have no audience no one cares about you loser!!

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

all jurors

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.

Now now Cory, temper, temper! Your mummy would wash your mouth out with soap if she knew you were using words like the "f" one so often. ROFLMBO

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.

Now now Cory, temper, temper! Your mummy would wash your mouth out with soap if she knew you were using words like the "f" one so often. ROFLMBO - F

What temper are you referring to Lardship? leave my mom out of this, your mom should have had an abortion.

Casey March 24, 2008 at 3:20 p.m.

Well it's established, after reading the lastest from this idiot - Cory_Privatera is an illiterate kid who probably never even graduated highschool figuring he was smart enough to ummm pump gas in a gas station or maybe fill someone's tire with air......and I wager that his mother must have spanked him plenty growing up......
I am again off to important agendas - ciao.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 3:32 p.m.

It's true for now, more's the pity, that Conrad Black cannot write columns from prison. If he could, there would be no lack of publishers, right, left and centre, who would gladly pay handsomely for his thoughts and gladly publish them. Why? because he is provocative and people are interested in what he says - whether they want to scoff at him or praise him, he's a damn good read. You can hate if you are that shallow, but you can't ignore him.

Some detractors on this blog say they can't bear to read him at all... but in fact, they do.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 3:36 p.m.

figuring he was smart enough to ummm pump gas in a gas station or maybe fill someone's tire with air - Spacey Casey

what's wrong with that? what's wrong with pumping gas and filling tires with air for a living? lots of people make an honest living doing that sort of work and it is noble. Once again Sandy/Donna/spacey Casey has shown what a pompous hypocrite she is, putting me down because she thinks I do a job that is beneath her yet riling on year after year about her obsession Conrad Black who she thinks puts others beneath him based on their societal status. You are a crazy old lady, a liar and the worst hypocrite I've ever come accross on the web!

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 3:44 p.m.

"Correspondence may not jeopardize the safety, security, or orderly operation of the correctional facility, or the protection of the public; exceed 13,000 characters (approximately two pages); or have attachments."

13,000 characters is actually quite a lengthy text, over four times the maximum length of a post to this blog and also nearly four times the length of one of His Lardship's columns in the Nazional Poop. (I measured the one in which he slags off Peter Newman and which he headed - with characteristic effrontery - "Making the Facts Dance").

That indicates that he might still be able to write his drivel for the Nazional Poop and other right-wing publications willing to publish stuff like that. But why not? Intelligent readers will judge his stated views against the background that this is a felon writing from the hoosegow. And those who see any good in him are beyond redemption anyway. LOL.

Cory Privatera, the fact that I am around shows that my mother didn't have an abortion, as you said she should have done. But didn't Morticia? My mother was different, much more beautiful than Morticia even on the final day of her life, when she was younger than Morticia is now, and always kind, good and unselfish. She lived for her children. Yes, eat your heart out, I have siblings, too! How different can a woman like that be from the self-centred, greedy and pointless crone that helped lead His Lardship to where he is today?

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

That indicates that he might still be able to write his drivel for the Nazional Poop - Fintan

I have noticed that you have taken to spelling National as Nazional when you make reference to the National Post, this is an obvious reference to national socialism. This really makes no sense I would bet that the Aspers (who own the paper) are the furthest thing from national socialists, you're just another reactionary commie shouting nazi when its really unwarranted, further indicitive of your 'ignorance knowing no bounds'.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.

(gic) further indication

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.

ROFLMAO Cory the sad one. It's called satire, dear!

Then: "(gic) further indication"

Maybe the poor Cory should follow my advice about the inbuilt spellchecker in Mozilla Firefox (the browser I prefer to Windows Internet Explorer, and which can be downloaded free from the URL http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/)

Now, Cory, have a nice cup of tea and relax! You can play with yourself if it makes you feel better. ROFLMAO

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 4:17 p.m.

Now, Cory, have a nice cup of tea and relax! You can play with yourself if it makes you feel better- fintan

I see where your mind is and it is creepy... and I also see that you are a virtual laugh factory, for an old guy you are quite easily ammused.

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.

"for an old guy you are quite easily ammused" - Gory

I see you still haven't followed my advice about the spellchecker. LOL

And what's with the ageism? I'm years younger than Morticia, who still fancies herself as a columnist, i.e. someone with intelligent opinions, even more than that younger than the Senator His Lardship would like to be the next guy in Washington with his "senile finger" on the button, and probably only a few months older than your dad. ROFLMAO

You are a person who wrote my son (who finds you as kooky as they come) should have been drowned at birth, my mother should have had an abortion and who wrote earlier about a desire to smash people with dark skin in the face with a brick - and you call me "scary" because I tell you to have a cup of tea and play with yourself!!! LOL Don't knock it until you try it. You'll feel much better.

Maybe you could consider breathing exercises as well, or an anger management course. Haw, haw, haw - I can't help laughing at you. Thanks for that!

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 5:06 p.m.

See the post by Cory Privatera dated January 18 on this disgusting site.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t...

And the guy who writes things like this finds me "creepy". LOL

Now, I suppose, Gory will come back and say this is another poster using the same handle. LOL, tell that to a jury in Chicago!

But if our Gory isn't the same poster (note the same inability to spell, though), maybe (s)he should choose another handle. May I suggest "Jonathan" or "Hic Hic"? ROFLMAO

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 5:16 p.m.

that is not me fintan, we've been over this, but nice try. there is someone else in the world with the name Cory Privatera, in fact another person in Canada who was the subject of a CBC documentary, check out the link I provided. He is dead now, I am not. I check3ed your link and it is quite dated so it must have been the other one. As for my spelling I don't give a fuk dude.

http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/program/i...

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.

oh and way to plug that disgusting website. I wonder how you would have come accross that website to begin with?? now that's creepy

GravityLevity2 March 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.

snailmail incoming to prisoners and outgoing from prisoners is checked and censored isn't it, so it makes sense email would be. I don't like the censorship part, unless of course the correspondence was counselling to commit a crime, or some sort of crime itself, like issuing threats or stalking. But being critical of the system itself or of the people who run it, may subject to censorship ("Correspondence that jeopardizes the safety, security, or orderly operation of the correctional facility [. . .] will be rejected"): not a good thing.

Cory_Privatera March 24, 2008 at 5:22 p.m.

And what's with the ageism? I'm years younger than Morticia - fintan

now you're lying again, you said a while back that you were older than Conrad Black, so how could you be ages younger than amiel if you're older than Black, there's only a couple of years between them. You're a liar plain and simple. One way or the other

Casey March 24, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.

I haven't laughd so hard at a post in a long time - Cory_Privatera's last 3 or 4 are so hilarious that I am not going to be rid of my aching sides for a few days....LOL. This individual is not only dumb and can't spell but also has trouble expressing a basic thought roaming atound in his pea sized brain - and he's correct about one thing though - pumping gas and filling tires with air is way too intellectual and highbrow, not to mention much too thought provoking a apursuit, for the mind of our Cory.....what does Cory do for an encore?...play scrabble with dweebs?...lol

Casey March 24, 2008 at 5:35 p.m.

But I promised not to get bogged down trashing personalities so I will stop while I still have sides......I reiterate, however, Cory can be forgiven, I suppose, because at least he has found a noble way to kill time after school....log onto blogs and make posts that presume to make sense, are readable, polite and errrr decent - no name calling for our Cory...he's above that for a 12 year old...

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.

Casey, really funny comments about the sad sack Gory. Predictably, (s)he now tries to back away from racist comments that were made under the same handle. If (s)he wants us to believe her, then (s)she should state unequivocally that:

a) (s)he absolutely disapproves of violence against Black people
b) does not assert that many members of the Canadian police are violent racists, and
d) believes that women, whatever the colour of their skin, should be free to choose what company they keep without fear of violence against them and their male partners.

Then I'll believe that two different persons have been using the handle "Cory Privatera".

Note how (s)he twists my words: "so how could you be ages younger than amiel if you're older than Black..."

Note: AGES younger, whereas what I wrote was "I'm YEARS younger than Morticia, who still fancies herself as a columnist, i.e. someone with intelligent opinions..."

I am indeed years younger than Morticia and yet a little older than His Lardship. He is, I have to admit, a bit of an exception among the rich and powerful men of this world in that he went for a trophy wife who was OLDER than him. I suppose he forgot to look her in the mouth, which is the first thing I'd do if I was buying a horse. LOL

Of course, the older men who plump for younger trophy wives usually leave the mother of their children first, but in his case the first Mrs. Black dumped HIM. Which says a lot for her good sense. After that, he was easy prey for any dame that knew how to flatter his bruised ego, like quoting whole chapters from his verbose tome on Monsieur Duplicity to him verbatim and telling him how not a bore he was. ROFLMAO

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 6:24 p.m.

Good night all.

Casey March 24, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.

Re your comments about censorship in prison - GravityLevity2 March 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.

I guess the moral of this story ultimately is to make damn sure you ( meaning anyone ) don't get convicted for a crime and be sentenced to prison time. Since one loses one's basic freedom once encarcerated, I suppose it is safe to say that this " freedom " encompasses all freedoms - not only physical freedom. Perhaps I am being too harsh but there you have it - loss of essential freedom = jail sentence.

kjopc March 24, 2008 at 7:18 p.m.

Ethically, a journalist who quotes from a prison-censored Conrad Black email message should include a disclaimer that the email may or may not be authentic and may or may not contain Black's complete missive.

Consider this: What are the chances that the jailer/censors are going to allow Lard Black to announce to the world that he is miserable, regularly abused by guards and fellow inmates, and has been selected as Big Bubba's bitch.

Marky March 24, 2008 at 7:46 p.m.

I'm completely bewildered by the quotes Bell has lifted out of '1984'. Surely he's not deploying any infringement of Lord Blowhard's rights because someone reads his email? When was email a ever a 'right' granted to convicted fraudsters?

More likely this yet another gratitutious leftie insult aimed at the US. Let's hope they can get over it.

Casey March 24, 2008 at 7:50 p.m.

When was email a ever a 'right' granted to convicted fraudsters? - Marky March 24, 2008 at 7:46 p.m.

My sentiments exactly and I pretty much said so above. Black lost his rights to privacy aka freedom when he became a convicted felon sentenced to 6 and half years. Case closed.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.

It could be that some who post on this blog would change places with CB in a heartbeat in a few years.

W101, who is the cleaverest blogger on the pro-Black side, has already noted that there are millions of people around the world, and not only in the third world, who would love to trade places with Black.

Take for instance farmers in China and India who are committing suicide by the thousands because they cannot pay down their debts - even though agricultural commodities are going through the roof.

Some tall foreheads, previously sanguine about the economic prospects of the world, are now talking not about a deep recession but a 1930s style depression starting very soon.

What that means is 60 to 80 million out of work in the US, and millions of jobless in Canada. Socialist countries like Finland won't escape and may even be in a worse situation because the government relies so much on heavy individual and corporate taxation to fund its "free" social services. What happens when the tax base whithers, the services cannot be paid for and the populace wants bread?

I don't know, but one feature of the last depression in the United States and Europe was farmers being thrown off their land. That is happening now in India, Thailand, Vietnam and China:

"While India’s economy surges forward on the crest of globalization, thousands of farmers are taking their own lives every year to escape mounting debt and an uncertain future. According to the National Crime Records Bureau, at least 87,567 farmers committed suicide between 2002 and 2006. In Maharashtra state, there were 4,453 suicides in 2006, the last year for which statistics were made available, an increase of 527 compared with 2005. Sharp increases have also been reported in Andhra Pradesh and Chhattisgarh states."

Perhaps this is what Conrad Black meant when he advised everybody to "keep your powder dry."

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008...

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:11 p.m.

It would have been nice if Fintad had also reported on the plight of farmers and other land-based workers when he carolled us all on the endless beauties of life in India after his recent tourist's visit there.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:13 p.m.

kjop makes a good point, but the CP story did mention the constraints on Conrad Black's cursory email.

Casey March 24, 2008 at 8:15 p.m.

kjopc March 24, 2008 at 7:18 p.m.

Ethically, a journalist who quotes from a prison-censored Conrad Black email message should include a disclaimer that the email may or may not be authentic and may or may not contain Black's complete missive.

Yep. And consider this too - what are the chances that CB, himself, will admit to the world that he ISN'T " just fine " and that his prison environment ISN'T civilized " or " dangerous "? CB will walk on hot coals before announcing that life could be a tad better, that prison is " stigmatizing " and that he is no longer " still serviceable "....

Casey March 24, 2008 at 8:24 p.m.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.

" It could be that some who post on this blog would change places with CB in a heartbeat in a few years. "
Like you? Certainly I value my freedom over prison - period.
" Perhaps this is what Conrad Black meant when he advised everybody to "keep your powder dry."
The day that I take advice from someone of CB's ilk will be the day that I decide to pack it in. Puhleeease.....

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.

Incidentally, the lefties will enjoy the comments that follow my last link and, to a varying extent, I agree with some of them.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:29 p.m.

Casey, read the damn post. I am not talking about you in the impenetrable fastness of your convictions and your dual canadian-american incomes. If you cannot see that Black's life in prison is several orders better than a starving street beggar, then... oh, to hell with it. I give up.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:39 p.m.

Casey, nobody thinks anything really bad can happen to them. In the last depression, the very rich hardly noticed, they continued to send their kids to top schoools far away from the cities. But the middle class did not do so well in the cities. Phds collected rents, Lawyers ran the trolleys and stockbrokers swept driveways. If such a time comes again, there will be plenty people who would trade what they then have for what Conrad Black and other prisoners have today. As you say: case closed.

leaf March 24, 2008 at 8:59 p.m.

Fintan March 24, 2008 at 5:06 p.m.

"See the post by Cory Privatera dated January 18 on this disgusting site."

---------

FOR THE RECORD: fickton has posted comments on various websites, using other people' signatures: Lit200, peter Griffiths, cory privatera, leaf.

Who cares, really? who can put a face on any of those names???
Just goes to show how much time the creep has on his creepy hands. Tells us also what “disgusting sites” he hangs around...

Take it from me: much more rewarding to make nuisance calls in the middle of the night.

If anyone still doesn’t have his phone #, just let me know. I’ll repost it with pleasure.

leaf March 24, 2008 at 9:01 p.m.

GravityLevity2 March 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.

"I don't like the censorship part, unless of course the correspondence was counselling to commit a crime, or some sort of crime itself, like issuing threats or stalking."

--------

Imagine this: a man behind bars, stalking.

duh

leaf March 24, 2008 at 9:34 p.m.

I just noticed that several posts have been removed from the previous thread. among them: one from fickton, holding TL responsible for my actions.
Pschittt – removed!

I guess they’re telling you: up yours Mr. Itse.

Poor little fickton, all alone in finland, with nothing but a gun to fight with a phone in the middle of the night.

I bet he ends up shooting that damn phone.

GravityLevity2 March 24, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.

"Imagine this: a man behind bars, stalking.

duh"

nice try at stupid naivete, leaf, but darlin', you know better. just because you are turned on by blondes you think of as dumb, you don't have to act like one. Really.

One reason prisoners' outgoing mail is read, and even stopped: to thwart attempts to terrorize people outside prison by direct threats or by advising proxies and criminal associates what to do in the harrassment line. I am not claiming Conrad would attempt to do this, but that this is a general reason for the policy under which his emails, like those of all other Coleman prisoners, are being read.

leaf March 24, 2008 at 10:50 p.m.

whatever

Jeanne March 24, 2008 at 11:21 p.m.

Thinking about Amiel's MacLeans column, I noticed she reproduced her fellow visitors' comments to include what her Ladyship would, no doubt (being a linguistic conservative), consider to be class-specific grammatical errors.

Yes, yes. If one has to visit one's misbegotten hubby in the slammer, rubbing shoulders (shudder) with the spouses of the smelly rabble, one must keep standards up, even if all one can stand firm on is the proper Queen's English. Quite.

She'll never get it. She could learn from those women who are visiting their spouses in the prison, who were kind enough to commiserate with her about the bra-problem, and thus invite her into their group. Instead, what she did was to ridicule their English, publicly.

NOTE TO BARBIE: You are not in charge of the English language. The way you use it is not the ONLY way. And spurning people for the way they use this wild, crazy language is cheap.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 12:22 a.m.

Lit_200 March 24, 2008 at 8:39 p.m.

" Casey, nobody thinks anything really bad can happen to them. "

You are wrong and if you think that I do not read the financial sections and listen to the business news and do not appreciate the dangerous times we live in, well then, so be it. But CB is THE LAST person I will ever seek business or corporate advice from - I simply would not trust him or his judgement.
Re BA's not so obvious ( to me, at first ) put down of her fellow visitors at Coleman and Jeanne's astute observation of same and reminder to me of this typical and not unexpected action by BA, what's that expression again? - you can take BA out of the gutter but you cannot take the gutter out of BA ( or something like that ).....You are right, Jeanne - she just doen't get it. She doesn't even realize what she has actually stated and her comments reveal her true soul, complete self absorption and self denial.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 12:24 a.m.

Excellent post, Jeanne, re Morticia, or Barbie. You rightly point out: "And spurning people for the way they use this wild, crazy language is cheap."

But then again Morticia has always been the very essence of cheapness, albeit by no means inexpensive.

Nothing has changed. The nuisance calls continue - silently and serving no purpose other than one that suits me. It must be very frustrating for leafie, the poor thing.

The other thing that has not changed is then felon His Lardship is still in the slammer, and virtually everything that he once took for granted is now a luxury. In fact, he'd better think twice about farting if Bubba is sensitive to things like that. LOL

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 12:28 a.m.

Correction: The other thing that has not changed is THAT THE felon His Lardship is still in the slammer ...

Karma be praised.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 1:24 a.m.

"The other thing that has not changed is THAT THE felon His Lardship is still in the slammer"

hey fickton, tell us something we DON'T know, for a change.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 1:59 a.m.

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Fintan March 25, 2008 at 2:08 a.m.

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leaf March 25, 2008 at 2:30 a.m.

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leaf March 25, 2008 at 2:39 a.m.

my posts got deleted because i accused fickton of being a child rapist.

that's when he got all hot under the collar and started writing long justification posts.

draw your own conclusions...

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 2:59 a.m.

And my posts got deleted because I wondered why Mr. Douglas Bell does not enforce the rules of the blog. Surely accusing another poster of being a child rapist breaks those rules.

Other Canadian media please copy.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 5:55 a.m.

canadian media across the nation is asking: should a child rapist's anonymity be preserved?

poll results tomorrow.

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 7:20 a.m.

GravityLevity2 March 24, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.

One reason prisoners' outgoing mail is read, and even stopped: to thwart attempts to terrorize people outside prison by direct threats or by advising proxies and criminal associates what to do in the harrassment line... "

Or to organize a prison break, wouldn't you say?

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:18 a.m.

It is rather interesting to note that Tweedy Browne had their best years when they held Hollinger. Their latest quarterly report on their flagship mutual fund shows a -8% loss. They are "value" investors, supposedly able to protect their shareholders through good times and bad. I think they should send a bright young fellow to visit Conrad Black and get some advice before the company goes through the floor. Similarly, the other guy who brought down Hollinger, former SEC chairman Richard Breeden, is also having woes in his activist hedge fund investments. Breeden also should send somebody to visit Coleman to get some advice. I think he needs it.

Incidentally, one of Tweedy Browne's biggest investments is in a Finnish company, Kone, which is a world leader in the elevators and escalators game.

What Conrad Black would say is short all the investment banks and especially fannie mae, get out of the stock market altogether and buy commodities, precious metals and especially agriculture. That's how to "keep your powder dry" in the tough times ahead.

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:26 a.m.

Also, Conrad would say "wait for a rally and then get out of US dollars as fast as you can." He's say gold is overbought, wait for it to break down to $780-800 and then jump in with both feet.

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.

:-o)

Free advice from the Lord of Crossharbour.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 8:40 a.m.

Lit, the hopelessly enraptured by Count Blackula: "Also, Conrad would say "wait for a rally and then get out of US dollars as fast as you can."

Well, His Lardship can say what he wants, but he is going to have to wait for about 5½ years before he can do anything. And he's not going to be able to get out of US dollars, because that's all he can use in the hoosegow - a whole €200 a month. That's less than I'll spend when my wife and I go to the Opera in Tallinn next week.

Most importantly of all, he's not going to be able to get out. Period.

Praise karma, which really has him by the short and curlies.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 9:16 a.m.

Note to lit_200 -

If there is, as you predict, a worldwide depression and the banks, themselves, fail, all of us are in the same boat or on sinking ship. I would imagine that money would be become useless because its value would drop. I will do all I can to protect my assets but beyond this, I am just another cog in the wheel. Life goes on , I have my precious freedoms, families and friends and all that I hold dear to my heart. I can only live my life the best way I know how - honestly, decently, honorably. Here's some advice - stop trying to be some harbinger of blackness or end of world as we know it...... try looking at glass as half full vs. half empty and enjoy it while you can.

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 9:31 a.m.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 8:40 a.m.

"Lit, the hopelessly enraptured by Count Blackula: "Also, Conrad would say "wait for a rally and then get out of US dollars as fast as you can."

Well, His Lardship can say what he wants, but he is going to have to wait for about 5½ years before he can do anything."

Fintan, the chronic cornhole wishaholic, is wrong again. Conrad, like Casey, has a loving family that supports him and has loyal agents who can move his money stash around until his wrongful convictions are reversed by the 7th Circuit Appeals Court.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 9:33 a.m.

how many times will fickton remind us that CB is STILL in jail and will be for the next 5 years?
(i will let him do the countdown)

to make this interesting, i will give $100 to the person who guesses right, or closest by no more than 20.

2nd prize, $50, if you guess he mentions it in every post, every other post, every 3rd post, etc.... we'll average it out by contest ending time.

prizes will be awarded on CB's 1st anniversary in Coleman.

casey/donna/sandy/101/etc... only get 1 answer.

good luck!

leaf March 25, 2008 at 9:43 a.m.

re: contest

your answers must be given on or before april 3rd, which will mark, unless i'm wrong, conrad's brave 1st month at coleman.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 9:54 a.m.

Dear Mr. Douglas Bell, if you allow leaf to to accuse me of being a paedophile on your blog and ignore your own posting rules, you are a disgrace to journalism. Maybe not in Canada, but anywhere else that standards apply. Now, do the cowardly thing and remove this post too.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 10:02 a.m.

Casey, good to see you back and I hope you read my posts before they were deleted. Your comment: "If there is, as you predict, a worldwide depression and the banks, themselves, fail, all of us are in the same boat or on sinking ship" is quite true.

I've never been able to understand the whole stocks and shares thing, so I'm glad what little wealth I have is in the form of property and land - and they ain't making any more of the latter, so I guess I'll be OK. Anyway, remember the Jewish saying about seven fat years and seven lean years. Whatever destiny brings, we'll just have to live with it. I somehow doubt that releasing His Lardship to sort out the problems of the world is a viable alternative. LOL

leaf March 25, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.

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leaf March 25, 2008 at 10:16 a.m.

fickton, you would do well to read TL's policy.
here it is, partially:

"Comments
Neither the author nor Toronto Life necessarily agree with the comments posted below. Editors will not correct spelling or grammar. Toronto Life reserves the right to edit or delete comments entirely. Read our full policy"

what part of that don't you understand, fickton?

nobody is responsible for your posts but YOU.

as the coward that you are, you want others to carry the responsibility of YOUR posts.
sorry. that's not how this game is played.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.

If any other poster besides leaf/lit/cory actually believes that I am a "child rapist", please say so here and now and insist that Toronto Life, which knows my correct name and address, immediately contact the RCMP and/or the Finnish police authorities and have me arrested.

I would also appreciate it if Mr. Douglas Bell, who has a tad of a tendency to wax sanctimonious about the perceived failings of others at times, would muster the courage to address this issue once and for all.

I find it rather odd that my criticism of His Lardship, who was found guilty by a jury after a lengthy trial, prompts completely unfounded allegations that I have committed crimes that are much, much worse than those for which His Lardship is now quite rightly incarcerated. The time has come for Toronto Life to tell leaf to either put up or shut up.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 11 a.m.

tut tut fickton.

you know damn well why i allege what i do and conrad black has NOTHING to do with it.

DB nor TL are your lawyers.
stop whining like the pussywhipped coward that you are.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.

leaf, present your proof to competent authorities or just accept that you are a very sick, very evil, very twisted individual who needs a lot of help. If you have proof, I will be gone in hours or days. But when I am still here mocking and jeering at His Lardship in his hellhole, Morticia in her shame and the pathetic Jonathan in whatever mess he has gotten himself into, everyone will see clearly that you are just a sad puff of wind with a lot of malice, but no power, no importance, probably no friends - and not much of a future. ROFLMAO @ you, but grateful to karma that neither I nor anyone close to me ended up like you. At least I had the courage to give my name and address to TL - you lurk in the shadows, like Smeagol.

P.S. You'll never get the ring

Cory_Privatera March 25, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.

I've never been able to understand the whole stocks and shares thing - finton

LOL

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.

"I have my precious freedoms, families and friends and all that I hold dear to my heart. I can only live my life the best way I know how - honestly, decently, honorably." - Casey

What more could you possibly want or need? And what more could you do to be square with karma?

Let us reflect on the pathetic buffoon His Lardship and the expensively maintained cheap crone Morticia and all they had at one time. Now what have they?

Cory_Privatera March 25, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.

But when I am still here mocking and jeering at His Lardship in his hellhole, Morticia in her shame and the pathetic Jonathan in whatever mess he has gotten himself into, - fintan

the strange thing in all of this considering what you said in the following line that I will post below is that you revel in the 'mess' that Black's son Jonathan is in. I understand that you despise Black and Amiel but why the delight in his sons misfortunes, that seems a little malicious I'm sure you've never met, heard or had any correspondence with the guy (please correct me if I'm wrong or missed something)until you read about the hit and run a week ago. You're full of Malice, that alone indicates you are a disfunctional human, you'd think you'd have had your fill with rejoice in Black's problems, but it never ends with you, you now have ill will towards his kids and than you accuse others of malice, see below. There is definitely something wrong with you.

fintan: everyone will see clearly that you (Leaf) are just a sad puff of wind with a lot of malice.

talk about projections

Casey March 25, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.

"He has been ousted from the company that he built ... he has lost the ability that he so dearly cherished to participate in public debate on political issues (and) watched his family suffer untold agonies at the hands of the savage and reckless press."

His sons, it added, "have suffered severe health problems that bear connection to the tribulations endured by the entire family."

The above quote is here -

http://money.aol.ca/article/conrad-black...

As we now know by the recent hit and run / dui of Jonathan Black, it is sad that these " severe health problems " probably relate to chemical dependencies. I have stated in the past that my heart goes out to CB's family becaue they do not deserve to suffer for the sins of their father. I am reasonably certain that these health issues existed long before CB's legal problems but they have no doubt been exacerbated by same. There is little that CB can accomplish from prison but surely BA and the first wife can, if these siblings are indeed addicts, get them into a mental health facility.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 2:05 p.m.

Cory Privatera, the racist thug, has the effrontery to take me to task. I dislike Jonathan Black because of his cowardly act. When he ran into a parked car and injured someone, he fled from the scene without even bothering to see whether the person needed assistance. How much lower than that can anyone get?

There must be at least a strong suspicion that his reason for fleeing was that he was under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating substance. If that was so, his own sorry arse was more valuable to him than his victim's wellbeing. Like father like son, a self-serving coward who doesn't care a damn about anyone else.

The injured man could very easily have been killed or left paralysed for life, because neck injuries are very dangerous, but would the Blacks have cared a bit? You, of course, racist swine that you are, have already suggested that the victim is faking it. And you find him worthless because he is an "immigrant", which must mean that you are of First Nations origin yourself. ROFLMAO

If Jonathan Black doesn't like the opinion of him that I express, he can always emulate his old man in another way as well: sue me!

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.

Casey, good analysis, and I agree with you that the Black siblings' problems probably pre-date His Lardship's legal tribulations. How could it be otherwise? In his mad obsession to become one of the elite of British near-royalty, His Lardship was a kiss up, kick down sort of guy. Nothing could have meant more to him than his own advancement.

He even forced his first wife to change her name from Shirley to whatever he found fancier. Beats me why, but it must have been a humiliation for her, and certainly not the first. I suppose he felt he had married beneath himself. LOL

His kids were at a very vulnerable age when his first wife felt she had to dump him and the grim Morticia soon appeared.
It could only have gotten worse when he hitched up with trash like her.

He is to blame for their problems. Then, when he claims that his sons "have suffered severe health problems that bear connection to the tribulations endured by the entire family", he is as usual placing the blame elsewhere. He was merely using their problems as an argument to try and lessen the punishment he must bear for his wrongdoing.

He did the crimes, he brought all the tribulations on himself and his family, and whinging to a court about their problems is probably the most cowardly of the many craven things on his account.

Boy, karma has a lot in store for him still!

Casey March 25, 2008 at 2:34 p.m.

Although Fintan is absolutely correct to claim that Jonathan Black displayed cowardice and total lack of caring for the driver he injured and neck injuries are indeed dangerous, Jonathan nevertheless obviously wasn't thinking clearly when he rammed the car from behind. This in no way excuses his disgraceful selfishness and criminal act but it demonstrates how severe his " mental health problems " must be. That CB permitted his lawyers to once again use his ( CB's ) kids to portray CB in a better and sympathetic light by drawing attention to ( and denying his sons the privacy they deserve ) their health issues is just one more example of what a complete disgrace and coward of a father and human being CB is. CB should fight his own battles and leave his family out of the fray.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

LOL! Isn't it lovely to see this clown, who once fancied himself as someone really special, the butt of jokes all over the world.

http://fantasyinglass.blogspot.com/2008/...

In 12 minutes it will be exactly 22 days since he entered the hoosegow. Only 1,778 to go and he can start his comeback. I wonder how long will it take for leaf to come up with the proof of her allegations or shut up? What a pathetic pair of losers His Lardship and leaf are?

And leaf is not really bright, is she? Just can't get it that my spare phone doesn't ring at night. Must be very frustrating for her. ROFL

PCLG March 25, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.

Cory Privy is back, huh! I thought I'd run that racist's sorry ass out of town. He's very defensive of Black Junior - must be becos' he likes what he sees in the mirror in the morning.

I've seen what hit and run/dui drivers can do and I hope the son ends up gettin' his ass pounded the same way as his old man.

Liar: he wrote this

http://pages.interlog.com/~wrenfolk/cr_b...

Cory_Privatera March 6, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.
drop by anytime
67 Broadview ave. Toronto M4M 2E6
and yes this is my real name, anytime you;re in town.

It's a bookstore called rocks and water. That piece of a slime lives under a rock Ok, but it ain't on Broadway.

Cory_Privatera March 25, 2008 at 3:53 p.m.

and whinging to a court about their problems is probably the most cowardly of the many craven things on his account - fintan

and you're the authority on bravery are you? Black took on the most powerful judicial system in the world, whatever you say about the guy, he has nuts!! you'll never be tested the way Black has been, you'll never achieve what Black has and will. you'll never be published you'll never be written about, you're just another commie loser. On his kids how do you know what happened or that Black's son was even behind the wheel when the accident happened, don't answer I don't care what you think, but I can't wait to read Conrad's next book!! LOL

Cory_Privatera March 25, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.

Radler is the coward, he's the rat. No sodomy for Black in the hoosegow, just respect.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 4:29 p.m.

"Black took on the most powerful judicial system in the world, whatever you say about the guy, he has nuts!!"

In a way, you have to admire Cory. His ability to twist things makes you think he was tutored by Morticia. LOL

I mean, she has devoted a large part of her long life to the art of twisting.

Correction: His Lardship didn't take on the US judicial system - like a kind of Don Quixote. He broke the law, he stole, he defrauded, he obstructed justice, in other words, he committed crimes. He certainly hoped the system wouldn't notice, but it did. And it collared him. Karma be praised!

A thief is never a hero. As for nuts, what has that to do with anything? Has Julie Ruder "nuts"? Certainly not, but she sure as hell cooked that big fat crook's goose!

How do you know there won't be "sodomy" for His Lardship in the hoosegow? Even if he isn't forced into it - and a big lump of lard like him would attract only the kinkiest in any case - 65 months inside is a lot of time without any how's yer uncle, and he may reflect on the German saying "In der Not frißt der Teufel fliegen".

Who knows, he might even like it. It's that or hold it for 5½ years and look forward to Morticia. Just imagine what a battered-looking hag she'll be by then, given her already dilapidated state! ROFLMAO

Anyway, being raped is only one of the humiliations that he is likely to face in prison, and probably not even the worst. He had his chance to come clean and make a settlement, like Radler did. Radler is not a nice man, but he is not a fool either, and he has admitted his wrongdoing and made amends. His Lardship is not a nice man, either, but he is a fool. Serves him right for everything he has coming.

Cory_Privatera March 25, 2008 at 4:39 p.m.

like a kind of Don Quixote. He broke the law, he stole, he defrauded, he obstructed justice, in other words, he committed crimes. He certainly hoped the system wouldn't notice, but it did. And it collared him. Karma be praised! - fintan

no he didn't, you outline how he did for once and maybe a word you shuffle out on your keyboard will hold weight. He was paid non competes that were approved and disclosed, he knew he was innocent and so did the others that's why they didn't turn on him, Are you trying to tell me Peter Atkinson was a knowing felon, get real. It's the prosecutors who operate a criminal enterprise and are power drunk crooks just look at Spitzer, liars criminals theives are the USJD. The best way to get away with a crime is accuse someone else of the very crime you are committing, just ask breeden.

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

Yeah, Cory, yadda, yadda, yadda. He wasn't convicted in a Stalinist kangaroo court, but by a jury of "his peers" (well, actually, a jury of 12 decent hard-working people and consequently his betters) in the country that he considered incapable of doing anything wrong.

Didn't he even want to abolish Canada and merge it with the perfect USA? LOL

Now he won't have to spend a minute outside his beloved USA for at least 5½ years. Oh, the sheer comedy of it all! Karma be praised.

Baron Black of Crossharbour will be Lady Bitch of Crosswaysshagged any day that Bubba wants that to be.

We say in Finnish "Oma koira puri". Freely translated, it means "His own dog bit him."

Just thinking about his total wankerdom sends me into paroxysms of laughter. And this guy is supposed to be clever? Pull the other one; it's got bells on!

LSHICSM!

Fintan March 25, 2008 at 5:31 p.m.

Oh yes, good night. I'm going to hit the hay and, nobody that I am, I won't need to worry about Bubba "prodding" me awake. ROFL!

jade_lee March 25, 2008 at 7:21 p.m.

How did Black take on the American Judicial system Tory? He didn't have any choice, he was charged with a crime and went to court like every other person accused of a crime and he was convicted. Yes I bet you will remind us, just like your criminal hero Black does, about the several charges that did not "stick", but anyone with any brains knows that this indeed happens all the time. The charges never matter as much as the convictions that are registered and Black is a convicted person of both fraud and obstruction of justice. He is just another crook now, no different than the millions just like him sitting on their behinds in prison as I type.
As for the email baloney, crooks are able to send out mail or email in the US and the mail is monitored, so is the number of letters per week, usually it's limited to 3 for sentenced offenders.
In the age of telephones the monitoring of mail is not as important as days gone by but they are still read. If a person wants to say inappropriate things there is always the telephone to do that, however I would bet that American prisons do listen in, here in Canada we do not unless we are court ordered to do so.
Many offenders stalk others while in prison as this behaviour is reported all the time to prison authorities, it's silly of leaf to think otherwise. I mean we are talking about prisons, you know the place where we warehouse crooks.
The security levels of prisons are rather arbitrary, who really ever knows what crimes people commit without ever being caught? The security levels are determined by the criminal historys of the known offenses etc and not those undetected. Furthermore it's rather hilarious to hear that Black speaks highly of the prison environment, he just got there! LOLOLOLOL What a stupid twit he is to say such a thing.....he is sucking up for early parole that he is not entitled to! He has no idea how others in his environment feel towards inmates like himself that speak highly of the prison, it's not respected one little bit and I am sure he will learn that in time.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 7:49 p.m.

how about respecting the guards... is that highly respected, kimmy/jello/sandy/casey/donna?

Casey March 25, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.

Exactly what I thought and pretty much said similar re the buttkissing of prison staff as well as his bluster about prison being " civilized and safe ". Let's see how " fine " he is in a year or 2 into his sentence. I do not wish him abuse either pysical or emotional but kimmy is right to claim that no one on the outside really knows for sure what goes on behind bars....what really gets reported or swept un der the proverbial rug....errr cinder block.....

Casey March 25, 2008 at 8 p.m.

And by the way, kimmy, your use of the word " warehouse " to describe prison is very apt and is exactly what the meaning of the word is - a huge place to house the pretty much scum of society....CB's claim that " prison is not stigmatizing " is a crock.....sadly.....

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.

kimmy March 25, 2008 at 7:21 p.m.

"How did Black take on the American Judicial system Tory? He didn't have any choice, he was charged with a crime and went to court like every other person accused of a crime and he was convicted."

He was railroaded by Breeden and Tweedy Browne

"Yes I bet you will remind us, just like your criminal hero Black does, about the several charges that did not "stick", but anyone with any brains knows that this indeed happens all the time. The charges never matter as much as the convictions that are registered and Black is a convicted person of both fraud and obstruction of justice."

Actually, the fact that he was charged with so many "crimes" and was absolved of them, IS important. Put yourSELF in his position. You have done nothing wrong but a wealthy investor, a former SEC chairman and an out of control USDJ decide to go after you. Even Conrad Black, with all his resources, could not turn back the calumny. Imagin if it was YOU. You would be in jail for 130 years!

He is just another crook now, no different than the millions just like him sitting on their behinds in prison as I type.

"Well, he is in prison. Many of those in prison are not guilty. Conrad Black is one of those who is not guilty... he is one of those many who have been railroaded by the unjust USDJ.

"As for the email baloney, crooks are able to send out mail or email in the US and the mail is monitored, so is the number of letters per week, usually it's limited to 3 for sentenced offenders.
In the age of telephones the monitoring of mail is not as important as days gone by but they are still read. If a person wants to say inappropriate things there is always the telephone to do that, however I would bet that American prisons do listen in

You bet they do Kimmy, so does homeland security, so does the CIA, so does the FBI... ordinary citizens in the United States are scared stiff of their government and its powers. Just hope that YOU never get caught in the crosshairs.

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

Kimmy cont.

"... in Canada we do not unless we are court ordered to do so. Many offenders stalk others while in prison as this behaviour is reported all the time to prison authorities, it's silly of leaf to think otherwise. I mean we are talking about prisons, you know the place where we warehouse crooks.
The security levels of prisons are rather arbitrary, who really ever knows what crimes people commit without ever being caught? The security levels are determined by the criminal historys of the known offenses etc and not those undetected."

If I take your last comment right, you agree with the twisted mentality from Finland and it is perfectly OK with you if Conrad Black is abused physically. Nice morality you have there, Kimmy.

"Furthermore it's rather hilarious to hear that Black speaks highly of the prison environment, he just got there! LOLOLOLOL What a stupid twit he is to say such a thing.....he is sucking up for early parole that he is not entitled to! He has no idea how others in his environment feel towards inmates like himself that speak highly of the prison, it's not respected one little bit and I am sure he will learn that in time."

This last comment is niave and childish, not worthy of comment.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 8:41 p.m.

" Put yourSELF in his position. You have done nothing wrong but a wealthy investor, a former SEC chairman and an out of control USDJ decide to go after you..." - Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.

I guess the real question is - WHY? Why did all these individuals and groups decide to go after Conrad Black? Did they all wake up one morning or night and suddenly decide to nail CB? Please give us a sensible and reasonable answer to why CB suddenly or gradually became the object of the USJD, etc. ....And please don't say envy.....you will look like a jerk...

leaf March 25, 2008 at 8:43 p.m.

“And leaf is not really bright, is she? Just can't get it that my spare phone doesn't ring at night. Must be very frustrating for her. ROFL”

- don't you love people who continuously laugh at their own jokes? how gauche! -

anyways..... if the phone doesn't ring and the answering machine doesn't pick up, how does fickton know how many nuisance calls were made on any given night?

don't give me that advance answering machine BS, fickton. if that vintage device you're using could do what you wrote it could, you'd have posted my phone # here a long time ago. i'm afraid your word is pretty much shut (shot?) here.

back in the day, we've all had answering machines. if the machine does not kick in, you'll never know if anyone has called or not. period. no buts or ifs about it.

but hey, if you can't hear the phone ring in the middle of the night, you can't really complain, can you?
what "crime" is there?

personally, i don't call your bluff. i'll keep calling, free of charge. you just keep maintaining you hear nothing.

a win-win situation for me.
cheers dumb glock!
don't shoot yourself in the nuts

Casey March 25, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

This last comment is niave and childish, not worthy of comment. - Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

Then why comment?

Casey March 25, 2008 at 8:46 p.m.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 8:43 p.m.

And just why ARE you calling him anyway? You never told us....lol.

leaf March 25, 2008 at 8:58 p.m.

geez donna, i never thought an explanation was required.
you top yourself all the time...

Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 9:01 p.m.

Casey,

This last comment is niave and childish, not worthy of comment. - Lit_200 March 25, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

Then why comment?

I didn't comment. Didn't you notice?

leaf March 25, 2008 at 9:07 p.m.

in one sentence, casey exemplifies the word 'dense' to perfection.
it's a gift!

leaf March 25, 2008 at 9:25 p.m.

guessing game time!

what username is next for donna?
it might be jeanne's turn for a comment...
let's see....

leaf March 25, 2008 at 9:31 p.m.

how about coming back as donna for ol' times sake, casey?

jade_lee March 25, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.

Naive lit? I have first hand experience with respect to the prison culture and I know what I am speaking about.
How you read into what I typed, that I wanted Conrad Black to be abused is ridiculous, all I was relating is that it's naive of Black and his supporters to imagine that anyone is truly safe in any prison. Black has led the protected life of most rich people and has no idea of the evils of the world that are out of his control in the prison environment. Does he even realize that any ordinary day in that civilized prison he speaks about can morph into the most dangerous of days by just saying the wrong thing to the wrong person? I have first hand experience and I speak about the reality that we have allowed to be created in our prison systems.
Hell, we have allowed the police culture to also become something we never intended it to become. We have all heard about the "blue wall of silence" and it's alive and well in even the most "civilized" of societies. Yes I do think Black needs to watch his back because the ratio of inmates to guards is one where people do get hurt and it's not always born out lack of duty but instead limited resources, either not enough staff to protect everyone all the time or staff who could care less about what happens to criminals by criminals (warped thinking). There are good and bad inside and outside of the prison walls but I assure you that there is way more bad behind that prison wall.
What's good enough for the average citizen convicted of crime is good enough for Black if he is to be taken seriously because in reality the average person could care less about convicted people or who they once were in society.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.

kimmy March 25, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.

Well said and truly frightening, kimmy. I never thought I would feel any sympathy for CB but after your post, I cannot help having some good old fashioned compassion for the poor felon. But this was and is all of his won makiing. I am still waiting for lit_200's reason(s) as to WHY CB was brought down by all those errr nasties....cat got his tongue?

Casey March 25, 2008 at 11:12 p.m.

Lit_200 - further to your remarks vis a vis some unfortunates in the world being and feeling more secure, better fed, etc. in prison rather than being tortured by the circumstances of their lives ie. poverty, etc. There is one basic difference between the 2 - at least on the outside, one has some freedom and even the minutest opportunity to improve his existence - there is always hope; prison offers no hope, no freedom and only gloom and doom - there IS no upside to an existence behind bars.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 11:28 p.m.

I am still waiting for lit_200's reason(s) as to WHY CB was brought down by all those errr nasties....cat got his tongue? = to be more specific - still waiting for lit to explain HIS reasons as to why he thinks that CB was singled out for investigation, etc. to his ultimate fate of convicted felon. What would have caused so many individuals and agencies to go after him and not, say, Warren Buffet or Ace Greenberg or Henry Kravis or Wilbur Ross, or ...you name him....

jade_lee March 25, 2008 at 11:48 p.m.

You either have the respect or you don't leaf. I find the respect by others of correctional officers is easy maintained if you are firm but fair, it's the governments mandate here in Canada and the job is interesting if you follow it.
Lit do you know what the real punitive element of any prison is?

jade_lee March 25, 2008 at 11:50 p.m.

Biovail appears to be the new Hollinger.

Casey March 25, 2008 at 11:54 p.m.

" Lit do you know what the real punitive element of any prison is? "

I'm not lit but would the answer be loss of rights and freedoms?

Casey March 25, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.

I think you're right, kimmy, re Biovail as in Gene Melnyk (sp?) et.al....

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 2:37 a.m.

Very interesting explanations, Kimmy. Of course, the fact that you have considerable actual knowledge and experience of what you describe will have no meaning for Lit. She strikes me as a wannabee know-all, who inexpertly surfs the Internet, takes everything out of context and builds her half-baked ideas on that basis. Rather like Morticia really. Her articles are likewise full of the same inaccuracies patched together against a background of neurotic prejudice and petulance.

To try and answer your question, I suppose the worst aspect of prison is the almost total lack of the right of self-determination. It must be much, much worse for a manipulative person used to getting his own way in most things.

I'm still waiting for leaf to produce proof of her allegation that I have raped children. Time to put up or shut up.

His Lardship's snap judgement on the nature of the hoosegow - made after a couple of weeks with so many years to go - reminds me of the story about the guy who fell off a 100-storey skyscraper. As he passed a window on the 90th floor he was heard to say: "So far so good."

Just wait until word gets back to the other inmates - as it will - that they have a toady and potential snitch in their midst!

ROFL

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 5:22 a.m.

Thanks, dr, for the info about writing to convicts in Coleman and the address. I've programmed it into my communicator and really will send him some postcards in the next few months. Lots of local colour and no "wish you were here", but a lot of "glad you are there". I've just found out a long trip is in the offing (India, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia at least). That should be good news for leafie, who doesn't like my presence on this blog. LOL

Poor Lit had some semi-digested and poorly regurgitated Internet information about the world economy, blah, blah, blah - even worries about Finland, poor dear. Well, we still have a higher GDP per capita than Canada - and a hell of a lot more than where Lit is - and one of the most robustly growing economies in the Eurozone. Besides which, we've been through some really tough times in the past and always weathered them. Do some googling and look up "sisu". There is no good English word for it, but this nation has it and will never lose it.

I've been giving a lot of thought to why leaf and her allies are taking so much trouble to try and make mischief for me. The only conclusion I can come to is that I have been a success. I really enjoy mocking, satirising the tragicomic, nasty-but-loser duo and wallowing in Schadenfreude at their ongoing distress. Trying to find new variants on the theme, a hundred new ways to say "I'm so delighted they are in the sh1t" is a good break from my usual work, which requires great precision and intense concentration. I have, I believe, managed to open up new perspectives that reveal them for the esentially immoral, corrupt and malign influences that they are.

I am convinced that leaf is just Morticia's and the Black son's way of trying to hit back. They lack nothing when it comes to spitefulness, but there is nothing they can do to me. I suppose that child rapist thing was just a desperate dirty ploy. After all, it was Goebbels - whose portrait Morticia has hanging on the wall of her mansion - who said that if you throw enough mud some of it is sure to stick. But not in my case. In countries governed under the rule of law, like Finland, the authorities usually need to know where, when and how a crime was committed - and what the crime was. LOL

Still no sign of any of that proof. So, M and J, I'll be back whenever I feel like it and especially when I hear that more misfortune has befallen you.

ROFLMAO

Casey March 26, 2008 at 7:41 a.m.

" Hell, we have allowed the police culture to also become something we never intended it to become. We have all heard about the "blue wall of silence" and it's alive and well in even the most "civilized" of societies. " - kimmy

I haven't but I HAVE heard of " the blue screen of death ".....lol

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 7:47 a.m.

It wasn't a conspiracy, nobody on the pro-black side said it was. What happened was Tweedy Browne bought into Hollinger when the stock was worth about $11. They are value investors and they knew that the assets made the stock worth about $17 at the time. With a 2% share, they wanted to break the company down and increase their share by buying up devalued stock. They were pissed that they could not get past Black who, while he owned only 18 per cent of the company through Revelston, his supershares counted double anyone else's. So Tweedy, who lives very well himself, began to question Black's lifestyle.

A letter to the SEC, organizing the outside stockholders (who had very little interest in corporate matters previously) and plied them with tales of a $25,000 summer cocktail party that Black threw, a trip to Bora Bora etc. The point was to break that price down so Tweedy could buy up stock cheaply and gain the upper hand over Black.

Black responded by saying, OK, you think things are out of line, let's set up an investigating committee to check into the company. Enter Breeden who, for all I know, was in cahoots with Tweedy Browne. After all, he soon after created his own hedge fund with the express purpose of buying into companies, infiltrating their boards with his own staff, and thereby gaining control of promising companies (H&R Block, Applebees etc) with relatively small shares of the outstanding stock.

Breeden's report was then a foregone conclusion. Of course it was a corporate kleptocracy and Black had to go. Conrad Black was blindsided and knew instantly that he would have to step down. To fight Tweedy and Breeden, he would have debased the Hollinger stock beyond recovery. He still owned a share of the company so he retreated in order to fight another day.

Trouble was Tweedy and Breeden overplayed their hands. The SEC called in the USDJ to investigate and the overeager beavers in Fitzgerald's shop, slavering for another trophy case (after they had made a botch of the Plame outing) created a criminal conspiracy out of thin air. The rest, as they say, is history.

Conrad Black is smart, but this time he was outmaneuvered. The upside is that Tweedy Browne lost out on the deal too - they went too far and lost their investment - a bundle. And the final penny has not dropped yet. Tweedy Browne's funds - thought to be safe in any investment climate - are in trouble. Their flagship Global fund was down -8% in the last quarter. And Breeden? Every stock he has raided is down, or going down.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 7:50 a.m.

I came across the following link - among the nastier insults that CB hurled, he rather spitefully to say the least, loves to attack people's physical appearances ( Michelle Obama, as we learned recently, for example ) - CB continually sank to the level he, himself has denigrated so often - I have rarely come across anyone so mean, spiteful and cruel in his / her judgements of others as I have about CB - his insults simply emphasize the pettiness of this obnoxious man......

http://www.thestar.com/Unassigned/articl...

Read and ummmmm enjoy...*sigh*

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 7:57 a.m.

Sorry about the grammatical errors and tense slipups... busy with other stuff.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8 a.m.

Saying a woman is calipgyian (has a beautiful ass) is not necessarily a big insult!

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 8:07 a.m.

Good morning, Casey. Good observation. The BSoD means the operating system is shut down and it will be a while before it is up and running again, if it ever is.

Just like His Lardship, who has had his plug pulled good!

And if his system was Windows, now they've got bars on them! Karma be praised.

Kimmy is right about the "blue wall of silence" being so persistent, and I believe it will never be completely eliminated, but the Nordic countries have come pretty close, although the work must go on.

An interesting detail: in the past ten years, not a single one of the many complaints made to the very powerful Parliamentary Ombudsman about the police has alleged torture or ill-treatment. http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resource.ph...

Of course, all that Nordic nanny state stuff about respecting fundamental and human rights is, as His Lardship and Morticia have been telling us for decades, the kind of tree-hugging, pinko pussy nonsense that ruins societies for better people like themselves. LOL

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 8:24 a.m.

Double standards from Twit again (why am I not surprised?):

"Saying a woman is calipgyian (has a beautiful ass) is not necessarily a big insult!"

Absolutely not! Like everything else, it depends on the context. In his disgraceful article, he also implied that the delightful Mrs. O'Bama's academic achievements were due largely to affirmative action (which, of course, he and Morticia bitterly oppose). And please tell us, pray, why did he make no comments about the physical attributes of other prominent figures on the American political scene?

How about McKilledabel's barbie doll wife Cindy? What does he think of her arse?

How about Condo Lizzie Rice? How come no comments on her arse (too flat) or goofy teeth, or Miss Piggie nose?

Or Hitlery Clinton's arse? Don't get me started.

And, bearing in mind where he is now, I would have thought that His lardship would be fervently hoping that Bubba or his pals don't start thinking the same thing about him as he thought about Mrs. O'Bama. ROFLMAO

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.

I don't like to respond to the Finnish fabricator but "pinko pussy nonsense" ???

why are most of his insults and aspersions at the expense of women and their delightful attributes? Something wrong there.

ROMALMAOFOHAO!

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 8:35 a.m.

And a little more precision and concentration please (that is SUCH a laugh) you forgot to refer to me as a woman. Come on! I miss that! I am sure you will rectify that slip in a subsequent message. You only have two or three strings to your banjo, wouldn't want you to miss thrumming one.

jade_lee March 26, 2008 at 8:37 a.m.

It's called the English language Lit and that is how it has evolved in this male dominated world. As a woman who has reached the highest level of equality, I could care less and often use genderized language myself....the perfect insult really is c**t, and I have seen several male C**TS here.

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 10:22 a.m.

Kimmi, you are quite right about the language and the way it has evolved. Lit is just being a sore loser, after all her predictions about His Lardship have been proved wrong. Besides, "pinko pussy nonsense", as I understand it, refers to "communist = red = pink" and pussy to "kitten = harmless = effeminate". People of a right-wing bent, like Lit, Morticia, His Lardship and all their ilk, often dismiss Nordic liberal, pro-welfare-state, pro-social-justice, environmentally conscious people like me as "pinko or commie, tree-hugging pussies". And there is no sexual or gender-related connotation.

Of course, as lit proves, filth is in the eye of the beholder. But she needn't put dirty words in my mouth. I'm more than capable of finding them myself, when I find it appropriate to rub more salt in the wounds of Morticia and you know who. LOL

Is Lit a former acolyte, disciple of Morticia, by the way? The selective blinkeredness of both is uncanny. There has to be a link. LOL.

Notice a thread or two back how Lit makes a few snide comments about people going to India as tourists. I never said I was a tourist, and I actually have an honours degree in anthropology from a respected university, and maybe other reasons for visiting a country that is developing fast - karma be praised - and on the verge or regaining its former greatness in the economic sense - not that it ever lost its greatness in the cultural sense. Perhaps Lit could do another bit of googling and answer one question: if tourists visiting India is such a bad thing, why is the Government of India spending so much on the(very good) "Incredible India" advertising campaign to promolte tourism? I'll await the answer - like leaf's proof? ROFLMAO at such abject loserdom and total denial.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 10:25 a.m.

Kim(my) if you still use gender-specific insulting language you should grow up. And as far as genital insults go, C**t, as you so delicately put it (and as you should know because you have reached the highest levels of gender equality)is a swing word. As a fully evolved woman you know that feminists are reclaiming that word, using it in everyday speech and trying to rid it of its pejorative association.

But lets have a little fun with the word. Here's a little poem I have posted before about that particular portion of a woman:

The portions of a woman that appeal to Man's depravity
Are fashioned with considerable care;
And what at first appears to be a common little cavity
Is really an elaborate affair.
Now doctors of distinction have examined these phenomena
In numbers of experimental dames
And given to these ornaments of feminine abdomena
A number of delightful Latin names:
There's the vulva, the vagina and the jolly perineum
And the hymen in the case of certain brides;
And there's lots of other gadgets you'd just love if you could see'em
The clitoris and Christ knows what besides
Now isn't it a pity that when common people chatter
Of the mysteries to which I have referred
That they give to this so vital and so elegant a matter
Such a very short and unattractive word.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

Ahh, that's better Fintad, let your misogyny hang ALL the way out. I knew it was just an oversight.

As for kim(my), here's a rejoinder from the ... ahem ... fairer sex. It applies very nicely to the ... ahem ... well-spoken gentleman (or is pussy the word he prefers?) from Finland.

The Woman's Retort
You erudite philosophers are really rather comical
Despite your pseudoscientific facts,
For all your heated arguments on matters anatomical
Have very little bearing on your acts.
You may agree to differ and make learned dissertations
On the relative importance of a name,
But we women find that when it comes to intimate relations
You reactions are essentially the same.
Moreover when you analyze, in phrases too meticulous
Our relatively simple little vent
You overlook the verbiage, so rude and so ridiculous
Which designates the gadgets of a gent.
But then perhaps it's 'cause you find the emblems of virility
So very, very difficult to hide,
That your jealousy induces you to scoff at our ability
To tuck away our privacies inside.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

Pussy said:

"Perhaps Lit could do another bit of googling and answer one question: if tourists visiting India is such a bad thing, why is the Government of India spending so much on the(very good) "Incredible India" advertising campaign to promolte tourism?"

She doesn't have to google that one, puss: A) she never said tourism was bad, ever (a little more concentration on what she says, please, and not on what you THINK she says) and B) regardless of whether a thing is good or bad, a government spending money on something does not prove it's good. Didn't you take logic when you were getting that great big fat degree you have in anthropology 101? (Karma doesn't like self-aggrandizement and boasting doncha know?)

Amrak be praised!

ROTFALMAOITHPOPRA!!!!!!

I'll await the answer - like leaf's proof? ROFLMAO at such abject loserdom and total denial.

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.

Very feeble retort, Zit. Morticia could do better on a bad day - I hear she's having a lot of them nowadays. LOL

You have often taken Roger to task for, allegedly, not quoting sources, and even I have been so chided, but now you devote two whole posts to easily detected plagiarism.

Here's the source:

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiNAMEANA...

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.

Do pay attention puss. A little more precision, please. I never said or inferred I wrote those delightful passages. They have been around for donkey's years and I learned them decades ago in university.

You, on the other hand, have posted great swatches of googled material without attribution.

And one might note puss, you ran immediately to google to frame your feckless reply.

Ah well, enough of you. y'ain't worth my time, pussy.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

Here are a couple more, of about 100 sites, that repeat the ditties I reproduced.

http://www.unlikelystories.org/old/artic...
http://www.kidvai.com/windmills/2007_09_...

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 11:42 a.m.

Another ditty from long, long ago that might amuse the Finnish fabricator and Karma abuser: I am sure he can find countless sites that reproduce it on the Internet

Oh the sexual life of the camel
Is stranger than most people think
For one night in a fit of dark passion
he decided to bugger a sphinx
But the spinx's vaginal or-i-face
Was filled with the mud of the Nile
Which accounts for the hump on the camel
And fintan's fixed and inscrutable smile.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.

And now I really must go.

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 11:45 a.m.

Is it just me, or am I getting Lit all tetchy? Just because I make her look foolish - but it's so easy. LOL Actually, your last post is a bit incoherent. Are you on something? Don't go driving any cars now mind! And if you do, go slower and watch out for red lights. ROFLMAO

Casey March 26, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.

Just enough time to poke my head in to say that I am honestly disgusted - and mostly at lit_200. Don't you have anything better to do than to post silly, scatalogical ditties that have absolutely nothing to do with this blog? Ok, I think you're a male after all - no female would sink to your level of drivel posted above. Maybe try giving your wife the attention she misses and probably needs that you deprive her of while you sit online and post crap. Enough already. Thank you....*sigh*.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 1:14 p.m.

Casey, lighten up. You asked me to explain how the case against Conrad Black arose. I gave you a rundown. Why not fixate on that, rather than on my response to the GBFA from Finland? Let the GBFA google this one:

Oh the sexual life of the camel
Is a strange and perverted sin
For he developed illicit relations
With a receptive and bent-over Finn
In the midst of their passionate embrace
Fintan sighed and cooed: "what a ride!"
so enhancing the camel's enjoyment
He decided to make him his bride.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 2:40 p.m.

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 7:47 a.m.
Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. - " You asked me to explain how the case against Conrad Black arose. I gave you a rundown. "

Nope - Laura Jereski was doing some due diligenca or something like an investigation of why Hollinger stock had been sitting at same relatively unchanged and low position ( had not moved ) for awhile and Chris Browne I suppose had asked Jereski to find out why. In her investigation of company financial reports, etc., she discovered something in tiny print at bottom of pages that mentioned the awarding of non compete fees to Black, et. al. and other monies that seemed way out of proportion to how the company was doing - as evidenced by its self same stock price.
The rest, as they say, is history. Suspicious minds took over, letters were sent to and ignored by Black asking about these strange and seemingly unwarranted fees to company executives.
Maybe you should be questioning why Black repeatedly ignored requests from Chris Browne to explain these non competes or jus plain " management fees " as I believe was how they were decribed. Maybe you ought to also ask why it took a couple of years and various sinister, malicious and extremely hostile, anti - shareholders / behind the scenes emails by Black essentially claiming that " he was the founder and proprietor and no one was going to tell HIM how to spend HIS mony - yadda, yadda, yadda...." for Browne to finally meet personally with CB who basically stroked Browne and blew him off. Miscalculation and HUGE blunder numero uno for Black.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.

Forgot to state that Black's rep on street had been lousy for years and Chris Browne harboured suspicions - knowing that really smart, astute investors had been steering clear AWAY from Hollinger stock for a long time. He wanted to know why.

Casey March 26, 2008 at 3:07 p.m.

Fintan March 26, 2008 at 10:22 a.m.

" Kimmi, you are quite right about the language and the way it has evolved. Lit is just being a sore loser, after all her predictions about His Lardship have been proved wrong. Besides, "pinko pussy nonsense", as I understand it, refers to "communist = red = pink" and pussy to "kitten = harmless = effeminate". People of a right-wing bent, like Lit, Morticia, His Lardship and all their ilk, often dismiss Nordic liberal, pro-welfare-state, pro-social-justice, environmentally conscious people like me as "pinko or commie, tree-hugging pussies". And there is no sexual or gender-related connotation. "

Good post and I agree - I am a " lefty, commie pinko, bleeding heart liberal " and proud OF it....Thanks, Fintan...:-).

Lit_200 March 26, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

Casey - Jereski was an analyst for Tweedy Browne and also a shareholder in Hollinger. I suspect she was in on the overarching program to break the stock so that TB could buy in cheaply and take control the company, ousting Black. They didn't like the sale of newspapers, getting rid of all those assets in order to pay down debt. And they especially didn't like the Hollinger Five taking bonuses for engineering those lucrative sales and calling them non-competes for tax purposes, even if they deserved it.

When a buyer pays a non-