Fintan June 16, 2008 at 1 p.m.

As a regiment of soldiers paraded past, a proud mother turned to the lady beside her and said: "Look, they're all out of step except my Johnnie!"

They all got it wrong, the Nazi prosecutors, the silly woman judge, the expensive but useless defence team, the media (except the Nazional Post) ---

--- but Johnny is still in the hoosegow and closer to sh1tting where he eats than he has ever been in his pampered, privileged life.

Karma be praised.

☺☺☺

Barbara_in_BC June 16, 2008 at 3:12 p.m.

Wow, imagine that! The National Post thinks Conrad Black got a raw deal. And wouldn't it be nice if all convicted criminals once owned newspapers like The National Post? George Jonas, as the former husband of Barbara Amiel was doing Conrad a BIG FAVOUR by writing that article. The wonders of right wing journalism, where "truth" can be manufactured for a price.

Casey June 16, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

Since I have nothing new to add to Douglas Bell's comments above - which are spot on the mark and then some - I will simply cut and paste an earlier post or two I made on another thread immediately after reading CB's assessment of Posner, et.al, vis a vis the Apeals fiasco / Frey the legal frump and that mindless bumpkin Black's ( and Frey's opinions as well ) take on the Appeals' Judges themselves to whom, as Bell so correctly refers, are " monkeys ".....
Casey June 10, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.

Although my post is off thread topic, for which I apologize, I simply HAD to post the following link. it speaks for itself. Words absolutely fail me vis a vis the latest CBism. Either he is just plain nuts, seriously entering the early stages of Alzheimers, so completely absorbed with himself and no one else, or he has some weird sort of " death " wish. Clearly, with this most recent commentary via email from him, CB has lost any sense of reality; he lives in his own pathetic, irrelevant, obsolete, strange world much like Al Capone as he gradually lost his mind due to the ravages of syphylis while in prison for tax evasion.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/10......

Casey June 10, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

I would not be surprised in the least if CB actually believes he is Jesus Christ. So very sad.

Casey June 16, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

To correct a possible misunderstanding, Bell is not referring to the learned Appeals Judges as " monkeys ", as I may have inferred and for which I am sorry, but he is calling FREY'S and BUMPKIN BLACK'S and JOKER JONAS' seeming opinions of Posner and his 2 collegues as " monkeys ". The only monkeys in this entire sorry joke are Frey, Black, and God bless him 'cuz I normally adore him, Dershowitz ( if he is indeed an advisor on this dumb Appeal ).

dr June 16, 2008 at 6:56 p.m.

PETER C. NEWMAN
"I think that the judge was very wise and very deliberate in cutting off every avenue towards a possible reversal, you know, on appeal. And she was very giving in terms of the length of time that he's going to be free, restitution, you know, everything. It's not going to be a successful appeal and the reason for that is that in the States it's a mark against the judge if there's a successful appeal. And, more importantly, she wants to go to the Supreme Court of the United States and so she doesn't want that mark against her. But apart from all that, I thought it was a very fair verdict and you know, he'll be pretty close to 70 when he gets out. So I think it's a serious blow even though it wasn't as many years as most of us expected. He's not gonna change. I mean he's always gonna think he's innocent and our rules don't apply to him, and no amount of jail time's going to change that.''
- Newman is a prominent Canadian author

dr June 16, 2008 at 7:10 p.m.

On his removal as CEO of Hollinger International, Nov. 17, 2003: "There's absolutely no question about the probity of my own behaviour in these matters. I suppose I'm having a two-minute period in the penalty box."

MAKE IT 6 1/2 YEARS!

dr June 16, 2008 at 7:14 p.m.

The world according to Conrad Black
http://www.thestar.com/SpecialSections/a...

Casey June 16, 2008 at 8:34 p.m.

dr June 16, 2008 at 7:14 p.m.

The world according to Conrad Black
http://www.thestar.com/SpecialSections/a......

Like I said, dr, CB is nuttier than a fruitcake - his record or what's left of it, speaks for itself. Black is a disgrace and shall die a failure and convicted fraudster / excon. So much for all that babbling drivel that the Toronto Star took the time to reprint - CB's words are and have always been common, everyday B.S.

Casey June 17, 2008 at 9:38 a.m.

Havinmg just re read George Jonas' commentary in the National Post on behalf of his unofficial puppeteer, CB, I find myself thouroughly disgusted at his arrogant preumptiousness that the appellate judges were and are lazy and biased and did not take the time to properly review the convictions against Black. How the hell does this self described " legal expert " know how much time the learned Judges spent reviewing the trial / convictions? Or how informed and conscientious and honest they are? Who the hell is George Jonas anyway? Simply because this wizened, decrepit old weasel was formerly married to BA and therefore " impartial " as he suggests because if anything, he should really be against CB for marrying the " Lady ", his ex, does not therefore legitimize or validate his ignorant take on the ongoing legal battle to prove CB's innocence. All Jonas is a Black brownoser and puppet which render any support for Black laughable and ridiculous and disrespectful of those who have watched this scammer loot his companies and rightfully get convicted and sent to jail for same.
Jonas, as Clint Eastwood said recently about some dumb racial comment that Director Spike Lee said about Eastwood's film, " Flags of our Fathers ", should just " shut his face ".

jade_lee June 17, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.

Black is no different from many other cons.....they continue to say they are innocent as they serve their sentence. If the innocent are not granted parole when they do not admit guilt to the parole board, I suspect CB will never gain any sympathy for an early release unless of course his health fails him.

GravityLevity2 June 17, 2008 at 5:25 p.m.

casey: "as Clint Eastwood said recently about some dumb racial comment that Director Spike Lee said about Eastwood's film, " Flags of our Fathers ", should just " shut his face "." Talk about your dumb, and gratuitous, racial comments.
Mark Steyn, or leaf herself, couldn't have put it better (or worse) than casey.
But, as for me, I'd pick a Spike Lee movie over a Clint Eastwood movie any day.

with regard to jade-lee's point, is admission of guilt a requisite to be considered for parole in Black's situation, when he finally becomes eligible to be considered? does anyone know?

Casey June 17, 2008 at 8:53 p.m.

GravityLevity2 June 17, 2008 at 5:25 p.m.

casey: "as Clint Eastwood said recently about some dumb racial comment that Director Spike Lee said about Eastwood's film, " Flags of our Fathers ", should just " shut his face "." Talk about your dumb, and gratuitous, racial comments.
Mark Steyn, or leaf herself, couldn't have put it better (or worse) than casey.
But, as for me, I'd pick a Spike Lee movie over a Clint Eastwood movie any day.

Actually? I could care less WHICH director's movie you would pick - you are entitled to your choices, dumb as they are. And by the way? Get rid of the chip on that shoulder - it is unbecoming....As for your Steyn and leaf comments, I would expect nothing less from a pompous jerk like you ( something I have been meaning to tell you for awhile ) who believes that he / she ( you ) is / are the most informed, knowledgeable and force or face ( whatever ) of " levity " on this blog. You are nothing more or less than some anonymous knowitall who appears to derive pleasure from " lording " ( no pun intended ) it over others who graciously post their opinions to this terrific blog and are compelled to put up with your occasional blowhardisms whenever the moment suits you to do so.....bottom line? who the hell are you anyway?

Casey June 17, 2008 at 9:09 p.m.

" bottom line? who the hell are you anyway? " I neglected to add and who GIVES a damn anyway....

Lit_200 June 17, 2008 at 9:19 p.m.

I give a damn.

If you can put Conrad Black away because you hate his guts, what chance to the rest of us have against the juggernaut of the US Justice System.

There is simply NO PROOF that Conrad Black intended to subvert the course of justice in removing personal effects from his office in Toronto.

You think otherwise? Go ahead and put the man in jail then, because you hate him and you think otherwise.

The next time your son, daughter, wife, husband is in the same situation and you cry "no proof" forget it. The courts, the judge, the appeal judges WANT Black to be guilty. It is good for the body politic. It gives the populace the idea that even a very rich man cannot "evade the course of justice."

In fact, the course of justice is warped.

So folks - you great unwashed populi - enjoy your victory. Just hope it is never visted upon you or your loved ones.

Barbara_in_BC June 18, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

Lit200 said of Conrad Black:

"Go ahead and put the man in jail then, [because you hate him and you think otherwise]."

Done.

Casey June 18, 2008 at 1:10 p.m.

Barbara_in_BC June 18, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

Lit200 said of Conrad Black:

"Go ahead and put the man in jail then, [because you hate him and you think otherwise]."

Done.

LOL - well said, Barbara_in_BC....

Casey June 18, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.

To Lit200 -

Conrad Black is living in a democracy and was tried by its Justice System. Until man attains perfection and hence all laws and trials and verdicts, etc., will become perfect / flawless, our trials by jury or Judge are what our Constitution took years to proclaim. Black and his 2 bumbling Eddies had choices - 1) trial by jury of Black's peers ( they could have insisted and selected jurors with as much or more financial knowledge than their client ) 2) trial by Judge. A fair and equitable decision was reached by Black's jurors and they convicted him; the Judge sent him to jail. In a country with a Dictatorship, he might have have received many more years as a sentence. No Democratic system is perfect because human beings are imperfect creatures and these human beings set the laws of the land. According to our laws, Black broke them. And for years, skirted so closely to the line that divides legal from illegal and, in fact, DID break a few laws ( Hanna Mining debacle ) / Dominion Stores Employees Pension Fund....yadda, yadda, yadda. Eventually, the proverbial postman came calling / rang twice.
No one hates Conrad Black - but if they do, this might well have a tad to do with all that babbling drivel that dr kindly reprinted above, courtesy of The Star. Clearly, judging from that pathetic litany of hate, BLACK appears to hate everyone and his uncle. Or at very least, anyone who has the guts to stand up to this blowhard and B.S. artist. Conrad Black is a disgrace, a failure, a fraudster and a convicted felon. Case pretty much.....closed.

jade_lee June 18, 2008 at 11:18 p.m.

The expression of remorse, something that parole boards all across north America DO expect from the convicted person seeking an early release (obviously) is not found in a person who claims to be falsely imprisoned, innocent of the convicted crime.<<<just one of the many contradictions of our notion of justice.

To be found guilty when innocent must suck.

Casey June 19, 2008 at 2:07 a.m.

" To be found guilty when innocent must suck. " - jade_lee June 18, 2008 at 11:18 p.m.

I agree but I would estimate that most who claim they are innocent are, in fact, guilty. The other imperfection in our system of justice, which is of course unfair to the accused but not yet tried, is to often believe that the individual is unjustly presumed guilty until proved beyond doubt that he / she is innocent. Trial by media / court of public opinion is also unfair ( Sam Shepard trial, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg who went to the electric chair, the McCarthy era blacklists, the man convicted of kidnapping and murdering the Lindberg baby are all examples of imperfect justice ) and examples of the imperfections of Democracy and our ever evolving towards improvement and perfection justice system.

Barbara_in_BC June 19, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

Now Black is writing book reviews from prison:

Book critic Conrad Black Reviews "Nixonland."

“Nixon was an unusual character, to be sure, and some of his notions of how to conduct his office were unacceptable.[!]”

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/escape-from...

charley June 19, 2008 at 11:22 a.m.

I agree with Grav'Lev that Spike Lee is by far a superior director compared to Clint Eastwood.I love and have rewatched many of his movies-especially Do the Right Thing, Crooklyn and School Daze. In their specific dispute I can see Eastwood has a strong point (the troops he dealt with in his historical WW2 movie didn't include many or any blacks). However he could have made this point to Spike Lee instead of just insultingly telling him to shut up. If anyone deserves to be taken seriously on these issues and owed the courtesy of a reasoned response it's Spike Lee.

Casey June 19, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.

charley June 19, 2008 at 11:22 a.m.

Both you and G/L2 missed my point completely. I was merely quoting Eastwood's comments referencing Spike Lee's insulting and misinformed historical info re Eastwood's excellent film ( my opinion ) by claiming that Eaastwood did not focus upon the numerous Blacks who participated in WW2 and were not included in that famous photograph that was seen around the world and which became synonymous with US victory - Lee's insulting and dumb remarks deserved Esatwood's retort that Lee ought to " shut his face ". I was merely taking that remark and using it to tell George Jonas to shut HIS face too. What the hell do the directorial qualities of the 2 directors referred in my post have to do with anything OTHER than Eastwood's quote which I felt was totally applicable to Jonas' absolute stupidity? WHO THE HELL CARES WHOSE FILMS YOU PREFER or WHICH DIRECTOR MERITS YOUR " esteemed " PRAISE? This was NOT the point of my post above. SHEESH!
You are both infuriating, have completely missed my point and unless it is spelled out in monosyllables for you, your basic reading comprehension essentially sucks.

leaf June 19, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

from the same post above:

"...info re Eastwood's excellent film ( my opinion )..."

"WHO THE HELL CARES WHOSE FILMS YOU PREFER or WHICH DIRECTOR MERITS YOUR " esteemed " PRAISE? "

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pot, meet kettle.

Pen1 June 19, 2008 at 3:44 p.m.

My father did 1 year in an federal correctional facility in Ohio for a crime that he did not commit, what happened was (briefly) when my mother got cancer in 1999 my father returned from Florida with her to Toronto get get her care and he signed his accountant on as president of his company. The company managed apartment builidings, in my fathers absence the accountant schemed with other accountants in the area to funnel tax advantages through a group a 4 companies into one where there amassed a 5 million dollar advantage, the group involved were all compensated for about $300,000 each, my father was unaware of this arrangement, recieved no proceeds from the scheme but the US government wanted the top guy, they went after my dad with all their force, they froze all of his us assets and funds pre trial and when they couldn't get my dad to plea bargain they indicted his lawyer so he could not defend himself, he was then broke and in pour health himself, after having a brain aneurysm and being rendered completely broke and destitute having $20 million dollars in assets seized by the US federal government before they proved anything, my father pled and did a year in federal prison for a crime he had nothing to do with. Anyone who thinks naively that because a court found you guilty therefor you are does not understand US Justice. I'm highly skeptical of the convictions of Conrad Black, I can't see the crime having read a little on this but the US dept. of Justice is nothing more or less than the most powerful criminal organization in the United States, anyone who;s witnessed their tactics would know this.

Barbara_in_BC June 19, 2008 at 4:42 p.m.

Pen1 said:

"I can't see the crime having read a little on this..."

Read a little more.

Casey June 19, 2008 at 6:53 p.m.

" my father pled and did a year in federal prison for a crime he had nothing to do with... " Pen1

Why did he plead if he was innocent, as you claim? And re Conrad Black's convictions - first read the entire case as well as developments / evolving case, from A to Z starting in the year 2003. Nevermind about all the other scams he pulled before this time ( Hanna Mining, Dominion Stores Employees Pensioon Fund, etc. ). Know what you are talking about before you post. Thanks.

Casey June 19, 2008 at 7:03 p.m.

leaf June 19, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

Meh.....

leaf June 19, 2008 at 9:57 p.m.

casey is working on a book: "mastering the art of irrelevant comment"

it's a short book. a blook.

Casey June 20, 2008 at 4:44 a.m.

leaf June 19, 2008 at 9:57 p.m.

Leaf has achieved irrelevancy except for the following - we know its ip addresses(s), isp, location(s) and identity. So much for that darn anonymity.....lol.

leaf June 20, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.

ain't it a bitch.... all that info and nowhere to go.

Casey June 20, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.

leaf June 20, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.

" ain't it a bitch.... all that info and nowhere to go. "

You sure about that? Nice try but we can spot a bluff rather instantly......

leaf June 20, 2008 at 6:02 p.m.

who's bluffing here?

where can you possibly go with your info without incriminating yourself, bluffo?

ps... i don't need a team to think for myself.

Casey June 20, 2008 at 7:50 p.m.

" without incriminating yourself,....." - leaf June 20, 2008 at 6:02 p.m.

I have the law backing me up, bluffo, you seem to think we used - umm what was the word you used - " hackers "? How wrong you are. I have law enforcement on my side in addition to lawyers, etc. No one " hacked " into your info - it was gained legitimately and completely within the law. If I were you, I would stop pretending that you are safe from law enforcement. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Now go away, loser, and stop pestering this blog with your garbage. Your posts deserve a simple ....
Meh.....buzz off, sicko.

leaf June 20, 2008 at 8:07 p.m.

"Now go away, loser..."

ha ha! make me!

~ leaf moons casey ~

leaf June 20, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.

very well then, let's take casey at 'her' word....

who could legitimately ask for and get my info from this blog?

the question answers itself, doesn't it...

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you've just outed yourself a 2nd time, mister bell.

Casey June 23, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.

leaf June 20, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.

Ohhhh just give it up, you disturbed moron with a non life that exists in a sewer surrounded by all your buddies - rats, bats and mice - blech...meh

leaf June 24, 2008 at 12:59 a.m.

you are pathetic. like your blog.

Casey June 24, 2008 at 2:47 a.m.

leaf June 24, 2008 at 12:59 a.m.

" you are pathetic. like your blog. "

Then quit the blog and go back to your child and adult porn sites. As always, you will at least be accepted and befriended there.....lol. Maybe even respected by all those other sickos who congregate there. Sewer rats, the entire lot of you....unwelcome in civilized society. Good riddance, creep.

leaf June 24, 2008 at 10:13 a.m.

ridicule doesn't kill (otherwise you'd long be dead) but i do enjoy exposing yours time and time again.
for no other reason, i ain't going anywhere. deal with it bluffo.

or call law enforcement. hahahahaha

Casey June 24, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.

leaf June 24, 2008 at 10:13 a.m.
" or call law enforcement. hahahahaha "

Already done, bluffo aka porn freak aka liar aka ratbait aka leaf.....lol. The fact that you continue to log onto a blog that 1) hates you 2) you hate is clear evidence that the rats, bats, mice and insects you talk to can't answer back so you satisfy your disturbed lonliness and creepo life by venting your rage ( caused by having suffered as a youth parental abuse and as well horrific sexual molestation by same ) at posters to this blog who have now figured out exactly what you are - sexual abuse and rat bait....

leaf June 24, 2008 at 9:39 p.m.

- knock knock
- who's there?
- leaf!
- what?!!! i called law enforcement on you!
- they're useless as you see. i come and go as i please.
- grrrrrrrrr
- lol

Casey June 24, 2008 at 9:52 p.m.

leaf June 24, 2008 at 9:39 p.m.

" - knock knock
- who's there?
- leaf!
- what?!!! i called law enforcement on you!
- they're useless as you see. i come and go as i please.
- grrrrrrrrr
- lol "

Meh......blech

jade_lee June 25, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

conrad black sat on the wall (surrounding himself with kissinger and thatcher types)

conrad black had a great fall (the national post and maclean's appear to be using denial as their coping strategy)

All the kings horses and all the kings men (that would be thatcherman and kissassinger translated) couldn't put conrad black together again (he lost his appeal and all that cash to lawyers who never stood a chance of getting that crook off)

Would it be appropriate at this juncture to say that conrad black's ass is bacon, that the price of greed is high? oink! oink! The man has expressed not one bit of remorse, shame on him and he gets what he promotes for others finally. How's it going in jail for him we all wonder? Jail sucks. We the general public want that punitive element no?

Will the national post and other mainstream rags including religious magazines used to target a captive audiences, still publish his opinions about everything? Nice double standard the public appears to ignore, lets hope these same people don't exercise their votes.

Cheers to the American prosecution of conrad black. Well done.

Casey June 25, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.

I could not have said it better myself, Jade_Lee. Wonderful post and kudos to you. I, too, wondered what will become of those doorstoppers he wrote and will anyone ever again believe a word that he has the gaul to pontificate upon. Forget the lectture tours when he gets out of jail - no one really gives a rat's a$$ what he says and anyway, he is a US deportee and never again to be permitted to enter my wonderful country - good riddance.
Congrats to Eric, Julie, Patrick, Edward, and Cramer - job well done. We love you guys... and lady...:-).