Fintan April 29, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.

"Push comes to shove" LOL

Let's see will the increasingly skeletal Morticia continue to stand by her flabbier-by-the-day man as this tribulation is added to all the others besetting them. To add an even worse pun to Mr. Bell's, will they stick together "through Thick and Thin"?

Lit_200 April 29, 2008 at 11:46 a.m.

Shades of Sinclair Lewis, another unhappy Babbitt is upset with the realities of life.

Same as the Great Big Fat Hairless Ass in Finland whose single claim to intelligence is name-calling.

That boring enough for you Gerard?

GravityLevity2 April 29, 2008 at 12:03 p.m.

ON THE ONE HAND:
Conrad has a reputation as being a bit of a bully.
Conrad has for decades shown disdain for working journalists.
June 4 was the day Donald Trump did NOT appear as a defense witness because (as we now know) Con had emailed him about the case. Conrad was probably in an extra bad mood that day.

ON THE OTHER HAND:
Conrad, at least as an adult, has no reputation for physical aggression.
No criminal charges were laid over this alleged intentional act. (This fact also complicates the theory, beloved by Black partisans, of prosecutorial overkill.)
Video supposedly exists of this alleged deliberate act. I haven't seen it. If the video was at all sensational, why was it not all over the Canadian media, like Babs' slut and vermin comment, or Conrad's finger?
Conrad may well have been so internally distracted by the Donald Trump thing that he accidentally walked into somebody that day.

For me, until I hear or see something to change my mind, the ON THE OTHER HAND has it.

Fintan April 29, 2008 at 12:43 p.m.

Lit 200: "Same as the Great Big Fat Hairless Ass in Finland (pronunciation suggestions welcome!) whose single claim to intelligence is name-calling."

ROFLMAO @ Lit.

From now one she should just use the acronym GBFHAIF in the manner of the great Myles na Gopaleen and his frequent references to TIPAAW - I'm sure I won't need to explain that to LIT, who is so good at googling. But it rather undermines Lit's only criticism of me - that I have a propensity for name-calling. LOL

Lit doesn't actually know whether my arse is fat or hairless or bony and hairy, so I'll just leave it to her imagination in those lonely hours when she lies awake missing His Lardship. In the meantime, fat or skinny, hairless or awesomely hirsute, my arse is mine, not Bubba's. Karma be praised.

SML

leaf April 29, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.

whatever.... your arse is going to get a cleansing.

when you least expect it.

Lit_200 April 29, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

Actually the GBFA is partly right. I don't know whether his arse is fat I only know that his head is and so, I surmise.

Keep rolling on the floor and screaming in laughter, GBFA or H as the case may be.

All the way back to referring to me as female huh? How lame and female-averse can you be?

Gerard April 29, 2008 at 3:20 p.m.

Lit-200,

If I may butt in here (excuse the run-on pun), perhaps Fintan calls you a woman because you come across as one - or just an effeminate male.

Baked any fruit cake lately?

"Same as the Great Big Fat Hairless Ass in Finland whose single claim to intelligence is name-calling.

That boring enough for you Gerard?"

Oxymoronic that one, wouldn't you say, Lit? In any case, the pot calling the kettle black (no double entendre intended there) was predictable in its eventuality ... and boring? Yes. Absolutely: No imagination, no flair, no élan.

Read a lttle Cyrano de Bergerac by Edmond Rostand if you want to get your insults up to speed.

You will become less predictable and boring, despite being dated as you are.

Gerard April 29, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

Lit 200

A ps to the Rostand suggestion: And/Or try Shakespeare:

"I find the ass in compound with the major part of your syllables" - Coriolanus

You could amlify this you see to "I find the ass in compound with the major part of your syllables - when you have found the intelligence to use more than one."

Just an example.

Work on it, Lit. You might do well. You show some promise albeit very small.

Fintan April 29, 2008 at 3:36 p.m.

"If I may butt in here (excuse the run-on pun), perhaps Fintan calls you a woman because you come across as one - or just an effeminate male."

Why excuse the pun? I love them, and that one was brilliant.

Yes, I see Lit as dickless, whether literally or figuratively. Not much between the ears, either.

ROFL

Good night all, busy day again tomorrow, so I'll hit the sack now.

Lit_200 April 29, 2008 at 3:40 p.m.

Gerard

Look up oxymoron in your pocket dictionary, correct your last statement, and then try your puerile attempt again.

A bit of a misogynist yourself, are ya? A woman couldn't possibly have the intelligence to take on big macho guys like you and the big fat arse in Finland, right?

What jokes you both are.

Pen1 April 29, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

Good night all, busy day again tomorrow, so I'll hit the sack now - fintan

LOL, busy trolling and harassing on the web, specifically here.

Gerard April 29, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

Lit200

Oh my goodness me, Litty, we are upset aren't we?

Your insult of Fintan was 'a bit oxymoronic', Lit, as you are being contradictory, not specifically in opposing terms but in context: you are by name calling Fintan, equating your own intelligence the same way as you insult his in equating his as this name calling his single claim to intelligence (sic).

Did you flunk elementary algebra? Just wondering.

Misogynist? Absolutely not. I think women are God's most wonderful gift. A few harridan's in my life have got up my nose at times, and some pretentious snotties and gold diggers - I try to avoid those types. You?

Macho man? nah... I almost blew it on a hairy traverse once and would eschew the El Camino del Rey via ferrata as examples of bad judgment versus unbridled cojones, but just a normal guy and not overburdened with estrogen imbalances on the excess plus side as some men clearly are.

I like who I am and feel quite well adjusted and secure. You?

Am I picking on you too much, Litty?

Is this the source of your pique?

I do so apologize.

It is just that you are such an easy target - much like a helium balloon - bloated and full of gas.

leaf April 29, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

that's 21 emails from the perv today.

honestly, how he can carry on with the "daddy" thing is beyond me.
you'd think the austrian monster might have given him pause to reflect.

monsters will be monsters.

"bad daddy LOL" with a link to story was fickton's comment about his brother-in-arms, the infamous Mr. Fritzl.

leaf April 29, 2008 at 4:33 p.m.

a wild prediction.... those above were fickton's AND gerard's last posts of the day.

pffftt.....as gerard, fickton is sure trying to impress with 'literary' prowess.
sounds more like some regurgitated potash made of dubious condiments, if you ask me.
what the hell is he trying to say?!!!!
that he loves himself? as if we didn't know that already!!!

good god ficktzl.... fokk yourself, why don't you!!!

GravityLevity2 April 29, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.

Gerard": "Misogynist? Absolutely not. I think women are God's most wonderful gift. A few harridan's in my life have got up my nose at times, and some pretentious snotties and gold diggers - I try to avoid those types. You?

Macho man? nah... I almost blew it on a hairy traverse once and would eschew the El Camino del Rey via ferrata as examples of bad judgment versus unbridled cojones, but just a normal guy and not overburdened with estrogen imbalances on the excess plus side as some men clearly are."

Gerald not a misogynist? "harridan's [sic]. . . gold diggers. . . . estrogen imbalances on the excess plus side". It is perhaps misogyinist to use sexist type names to classify some women. It is misogynist to make fun of males who are showing allegedly "female" traits.

jade_lee April 29, 2008 at 6:49 p.m.

Relax guys! As a woman I don't take offense because I know how important your daily pissing contests are, even at the expense of using everything feminine to represent less than....we are so used to this form of put down that it means nothing to us as women anymore. I don't see any of you having the full equipment to be real women and I hardly think your male qualities shine here.
No mention of Black's son not showing up in court here but it was noticed in the paper by me. Something about the lawyer stating Black's kid most likely will not show for his court date makes me wonder if he will be punished for this or if he has a good excuse not to show for his trial.
I think of the poor guy sitting on his ass in jail at the moment for not following the court order to stay off of the land where a big mining corporation is planning to mine more uranium, it's a land dispute plus a mining dispute and it's a shame the courts have acted like fools. Yet the courts see no harm is letting corrupt cops walk, as in the Toronto drug squad thieves, or letting the son of Black, who fails to show in court, retain his freedom despite snubbing the court...it's not what you do in this country but who you are if you ask me and the evidence is now there for all to see if we care to have a look that is.

leaf April 29, 2008 at 7:14 p.m.

as predicted: no more fickton = no more gerard.

what do fickton's lies tell you?

do you think he figures we'll believe him?
that would mean he takes everyone for a bunch of idiots, wouldn't it? he is conceited enough to believe that.

he lies to better himself, to congratulate himself because no one else - except blondie - does.
he needs recognition, admiration. he craves attention, approval.

he loves only himself. he resents everyone else for what they have and he does not.
only a dog would love someone like him hence i do believe he has a dog.

i do not believe he has an executive jet-setter 62 year old wife, nor a daughter judge, nor a mathematician son.

arrogant, manipulative, obsessive, sexually repressed.... a dangerous concoction.
but then, in reality, he is such a coward.

that explains that, doesn't it?

leaf April 29, 2008 at 7:21 p.m.

"it's not what you do in this country but who you are if you ask me and the evidence is now there for all to see if we care to have a look that is."

hello jello?..... did you need CB's son to realize that? this happens in all countries too. yes it does!
ain't it a bad unfair world?!!!

Jeanne April 29, 2008 at 9:02 p.m.

Good comments, jade_lee. The judiciary in Canada seems to operate, in some cases, like it did in Charles Dickens' time. The well-connected are, ...well..., well-connected. A quiet word in a powerful ear here, a favour done in exchange there, and somehow problems and difficulties for certain people (those who dine together, for instance) vapourize.

But not so much if you're some nobody who doesn't dine with anybody. And not so much if you're trying to hold off the uranium mining company that wants to trash the whole surface of your land while "exploring" the uranium deposits below so as to ramp up those bogus stock offerings. Which the trash-stock uranium executive is promoting while dining with important people in Toronto.

The Blacks have always played footsie with these people, with polite Canadian toasts all round as nests have been feathered, and "little" people have been kicked to the curb where they belong. Lord Crosstalker would never have been busted if the Americans hadn't done the job for us.

It is, as Fintan observed, where Crosstalker made his major mistake - thinking that you could bilk Americans of their money and the judiciary there would give you a pass, because you were one of their class. The class crap does not wash in the US (as it still does in Canada). The Americans threw it into the Boston Harbour, along with the tea.

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 12:38 a.m.

That's baloney. Like all countries throughout the world, America protects her own as well and a good example is George W himself.....now there is a criminal protected where "class crap" is alive and stick kicking. For now that is.

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 3:13 a.m.

JL & J & the GBA make their expected contributions: life and society are unfair, the odds are stacked against the little guy, Conrad Black was an asswipe and did rotten things as a teenager, so it's OK he's in the slammer now at the age of 60-odd. Karma is served and all that horse plop.

They don't seem to realize that they - in their snooty and cynical take on the "corrupt" system (where, for example, a select few are supposedly - because of their place in society - able to thumb their noses at the courts, which is total BS) - are actually part of the "system" they decry.

They don't really want a system of blind justice where, ideally, the innocent go free and the guilty are punished and let the heavens fall. They really like and want a system of preferential justice. They just want it to be preferential to a different class of people.

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 3:21 a.m.

Nasty little bit of reverse mysogny there, JL.

Fintan April 30, 2008 at 3:54 a.m.

Poor Lit. She seems to be suffering His Lardship's incarceration even even more painfully than His Lardship himself. That's why I'm not going to rub any salt in her wounds this time by mentioning all the nasty things that can happen to him in the hoosegow between now and 2013.

My theory is that he's still in denial, still confident that he will be released on bail in June when his appeal begins, or at least in the autumn when his appeal succeeds. And pigs will fly.

The real suffering, which he so richly deserves, will begin when the appeal is shot down. That's when "push comes to shove", but he'd better never lose it for even a fraction of a second and push someone like Bubba.

I don't know if he's given any thought to what he'll do when his appeal fails, or how he'll handle defeat in the civil suits pending against him and Morticia.

Maybe Crossharbour is thinking he'll double-cross that bridge when he comes to it, but life ain't that simple for him any more.

He can lose his cool and give people the finger if it makes him feel better even momentarily, but the reality is he is the one who has been given the finger, royally shafted.

Karma be praised.

LOL

Gerard April 30, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.

I am going to stop my posts here as this blog is becoming too ahh boring and I have other things to do.

One thing remains and that is to find the Black 'stash' so that civil proceedings may proceed.

Here are good places to start: Argent News Inc., Moffat Management Inc., and Black-Amiel Management Inc. - Barbados, and Sugra Bermuda Ltd. - Bermuda.

Offshore jurisdictions are not so opaque as is generally thought. Once the appeal is over, and the convictions without doubt upheld, as they should be, the jurisdictional authorities will be happy to oblige.

Fintan, keep up the good work. Lit_200 The Piqued, Cory The Base and Ugly, and Leaf The Over Fried, are still delusional and cannot for the life of them contemplate that there can be actually more than one person in opposition to their boot-licking sycophancy of His Disgrace and their collective defense of Lord Black of North of Mudchute thereof.

Be of good cheer, Fintan, and your usual merry self as the others are dull and dispirited. Justice is being done.

As you might say: Karma be praised!

Gerard

Fintan April 30, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.

Thanks Gerard and good luck with whatever other things you have to do.

May you live long and prosper.

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 11:04 a.m.

Exit one half of the clownish duo, ululating and licking his wounds.

"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." Gimli

charley April 30, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

Lit- please expand your Sinclair Lewis, Babbitt reference. They are great favourites of mine but perhaps I missed something- I don't see a connection...

Gerard April 30, 2008 at 11:19 a.m.

Lit 200:

You really are a silly twit:

"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."

What dark road? I have an incredibly wonderful life, busy, adventuresome, full of goals and challenges both in career and in my personal pursuits. I am too busy to be mulling over another’s life, a fate pretty well decided and butting heads with twaddle twits such as you.

It is Black's road that has become ahhh black and you choose to share that with him, not I.

My road is prosperous and bright, full of joy and laughter, and of wonderful family, friends, and unfettered freedom coupled with embraced responsibility and generosity to those whom I love.

I am not the one in jail, twitty litty, and I am not the one who is defending the dark soul of Conrad Black.

Summer approaches. I no longer want to waste time here on this Blog. It is as simple as that.

Bye Lit Twit

Bake lots of fruitcake! Grow old and happier than you appear to be!

Best!

G.

Ps. Fintan: Thanks for your wishes and may you live long and prosper as well!

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

Original thinking is as important as critical thinking.
The fact Lit that you prefer to suggest my remarks are of the bleeding heart kind rather than acknowledge that we have witnessed some extreme corruption in our courts of late involving powerful people ie that Toronto drug squad having their charges stayed by the courts or throwing an older native guy in jail for continuing his fight against a giant mining company when there are land claims outstanding that should be top priority, this all makes me wonder if these matters just don't count in your form of justice. Are you really that concerned about this CB injustice? Do you have some fear that in future other greedy bastards who have their hands in the shareholders pie will be convicted for such behaviour and that this might change the supreme power of said rich greedy guys? Don't accuse me of being wrong for defending going after bad guys no matter what position they hold in society and I will not be so inclined to mock you continuously for you blind faith in the innocence of a convicted felon with a very shady past....deal?
In your heart of hearts Lit I wonder if you really don't feel superior to women. I have yet to meet a man who does not.

Gerard April 30, 2008 at 12:09 p.m.

Jade_lee:

>>feel superior to women. I have yet to meet a man who does not.<<

Get out and about a little more?

;))

Did you know JL, that before the invention of the man drawn plow, at that time of human history where a pregnant woman could still operate a digging stick as well as a man, all the Gods were female?

After the plow, the deities became masculine.

Interesting hey?

check out A Brief History of Everything - Ken Wilber

I do have to run.

Take care.

G.

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 1:06 p.m.

You should check out Marilyn French.
I am concern about my time. I get out lots thanks. I deal with large groups of men. I feel like an authority.

Gerard April 30, 2008 at 1:34 p.m.

JL,

I am sure you have experiential back up for your statement, and therefore you are correct and are an authority, as who else for you could say otherwise? No one.

I will check out Marilyn French. Which of her books would you recommend first?

Having just read her bio, I can tell you that her thesis with regard to the suppression of women as being an intrinsic part of the current male dominated global culture, appears to be a true statement from my vantage point. No argument there.

This was not always the case - Back to Ken Wilber - and in terms of attitude and bias, not the case for all men, I can assure you.

Wilber's book is pregnant and I don't mean to sound off-handedly sexist or mocking with that choice of word - it just works well as being aptly descriptive, as the book needs a full gestation period in which things are best taken slowly with plenty of rest.

:)

It can give birth to anyone who reads it a marvellous new way of looking at things.

Enjoy.

G.

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 3:03 p.m.

"Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals" Is what I recommend you read first. Let me know if you need your nappy changed.

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.

Hah!

New Age gobbledekooker meets Women's Lib's Attack Pitbull (that can't be right!)

Intra-gender pissing contest remains moot

Veiled jibes traded re feminine ivory towerism & male infantilism.

Stay tuned!

Jeanne April 30, 2008 at 5:59 p.m.

jade_lee, -

I did not mean to suggest that the American justice system is perfect, nor that, for some insiders, there isn't preferential treatment in the US.

However, I stand by my point that Conrad Black would still be a free man if he had pulled his Hollinger scams in Canada. Another excellent example is Alan Eagleson, who was nailed by the US justice system, but operated quite freely and crookedly in Canada with nary an eyebrow raised. And I won't even get into the Mulroney business.

Canadians (and I include cops, Crowns and judges) are more awed by "connections" than Americans are.

I would also argue that the American judicial system, on the other hand, treats disadvantaged people far worse than we do.

That's my take.

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 6:57 p.m.

LOL@ feminine ivory towerism.....interesting how lit gives idealism a female twist.

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 8:13 p.m.

Are you sure I am not giving feminism an idealistic twist?

Today we have Comanche Moon about Texas Rangers (wrought by a female) and perhaps in another 100 years, we'll have "... First we'll take Manhattan, then we'll take Berlin," (a FemLib production conceived by a male).

Lit_200 April 30, 2008 at 8:14 p.m.

Decent points Jeanne.

jade_lee April 30, 2008 at 9 p.m.

the point is lit....I could care less..........

Jeanne April 30, 2008 at 11:13 p.m.

jade_lee: Just trying to understand, here. You could care less? Or you couldn't care less? And about what (in either case)?

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 12:33 a.m.

This topic has become confused. It's difficult to respond to a closed minded individual such as Lit 200.

I could care less that his idea of feminism is different from mine but I continue to encourage a change of heart in men who refuse to accept that women should be treated with equality in mind.

Gender Equality continues to be a battle, men are still the enemy of women who are not afforded equal opportunities only because she is female...it's been a long war and if the parameters of equality between the sexes were examined at this time, I fear that percentage wise, women continue to lose the battle in this war to achieve equal treatment under the law and in the functioning societies she finds herself sometimes barely surviving in.

I care more than I should that men like Lit 200 think it's amusing that male "FemLib" productions might have any connection with how women perceive feminism, that is the struggle of women to achieve equality among men globally.

I was addressing Lit Jeanne and if only for my lack of clarity I did elaborate but honestly I couldn't care less if lit understands me on this blog, I mean I don't think we even speak the same language at times. We certainly don't belong to the same school of thought.

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 7:15 a.m.

Suits me.

I certainly do not agree that "men are the enemy of women" or that the battle lines are between "men" and "women." The battle line is a way of thinking that was a couple hundred thousand years in the making and has been and still is systemic, although has been progressively less so since the 1940s.

To not see that women have made and are making great strides (at least in some Western societies if not so dramatically in some Eastern ones) in the battle for equality is to be sadly and willfully blind.

Unfortunately, from my perspective, super-aggressive feminism betrays and may even be setting the effort back. Some women do not want equality, they want superiority and JL has hinted that she thinks this way.

This flank of irate and impatient feminism is understandable: it's been a long fight and the victories have been slow in coming, although I think they are coming more rapidly now, but then - my opinion is tainted from the beginning in JL's view simply because I am Male. But this group betrays feminism because it is adopting - or perhaps manufacturing it's own version of - the worst aspects of the unconscious inbred misogyny of males. Women are hectored for not being hard core enough. An indication of what I am talking about is young. Girl gangs now rival boy gangs in their cruelty, violence and ferocity and especially in their formation of strict hierarchies - just like the guys.

That doesn't just happen.

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 7:43 a.m.

Perhaps this explains why JL finds it normal and acceptable for one male to attempt to insult another by referring to him as "she" ... and does not see the implied misogyny in it. She, herself, probably uses phrases like, "Oh don't be an old woman," or "gossips like a fishwife" etc because, unless you are fighting on the front lines of the divide where "men are the enemy of women," you are just not a true woman. You are a weak, feckless creature, deserving of insult and slight.

Fintan May 1, 2008 at 8:18 a.m.

"Perhaps this explains why JL finds it normal and acceptable for one male to attempt to insult another by referring to him as "she" ... and does not see the implied misogyny in it."

BS, Lit, I am convinced that you are really the hag Morticia, Barbara Amiel to some, Lady Black to others, a right-wing, islamophobic, second-coming-of-nazism harridan who has lost her (a)miel ticket with the incarceration of her crook husband and now, typically, tries to make herself relevant by making spiteful personal attacks, false accusations, nuisance phone calls, etc.

It has nothing to do with me looking down on women, which I do not. The posters on this blog whom I admire most, Donna, Casey, Barbara in BC, Jeanne, are all women. My own daughter has been spectacularly successful in her career and, at only 35, earns several times more than I did at my peak, quite apart from the respect and prestige she enjoys in her own professional circles - which I think matters a lot more to her than the money. I am glad for her and proud of her, and oddly enough, she seems to look up to me. In addition, she is a very staunch feminist and strong upholder of equal rights.

You, on the other hand, are just a stupid dickless creep, whether or not you (literally) have a willy.

Now quit bullsh1tting. I have more important things to do today than slapping you down. It's Vappu, and I'm getting wasted like most everyone else in Scandinavia.

Blow it out your ear.

LOL

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 8:37 a.m.

The GBFA is now, officially, right off the wacko scale - must have stung him a bit more than usual. I can see him hammering the keys.

He know very well, beyond a doubt, that I am not BA. That's just straight BS and he knows it. He's just trying, and failing miserably, to excuse his churlish behaviour and attitudes.

Never trust a guy who professes with a trembling lip "I don't look down on women," It's always an obvious lie.

Gerard May 1, 2008 at 8:57 a.m.

Bravo Fintan!

You crease me up! I am quite convinced that Lit_200 is not BA but I am suspicious that the SDC is her hairdresser.

Jade Lee, thanks for the book title and the concern in your parting quip. I will be sure not to read the book now as I would not wish to have the negative effect it clearly had on your personality. As loathe as I am to admit having anything in common with Lit 200 The Bore, I have to share Lit's opinion that you are just another of those Fem Lib Attack Pitbulls which is just another way of saying dog, who couldn't scrum to the top of the heap on her own merit.

Enjoy Vappu!, Fintan! I am off in a day or two to the high Dolomites where I can enjoy serenity, get high, and play God and look down on everything.

Mostly Lit_200.

I am practicing already, clearly!

Have one for me!

Cheers!

Gerard May 1, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.

Ps. With the exception of Fintan and perhaps one or two others such as the person who posted the Mudchute Tube Map, people here take themselves WAY to seriously...like they are God's gife to Reason and the history of intellectual thought.

Lit_200 takes first prize in this.

So long!

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 9:22 a.m.

We knew you couldn't stay away. Carry on not thinking about anything important.

:-o)

Gerard May 1, 2008 at 9:43 a.m.

Lit_200,

Somewhat to the contrary, my dear fellow, it is thinking and contributing here that is not important...

that is why I am going..

Bonne Chance!

G.

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 10:33 a.m.

G

Actually, I agree. Damn peanuts.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 11:12 a.m.

It's all about Lit200 here. And that's a fact.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 11:15 a.m.

Of course Lit is Barbara Amiel. It's the only logical conclusion after all those Conrad lies and endless excuses for him from that poster.

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

Ok so I do get rather caustic when men try to set me straight about the struggle of women and how I should react to it and what male writer I should read that offers up a brief history of when women did most chores including the hunt.....I do respectfully apologize for offending anyone at any time here.
Blogging is for freedom of expression and sometimes I personally type before I think about the consequences of said words. Oh the joy of text!
I think I made that nappy comment Gerard as an attempt at humour but also as a reaction to your "giving birth" to a whole new way of seeing the historical significance of women idea perhaps....Motherhood has always been valued, history valued as truth about our human past, not so much.
I am far from the fem lib pitbull you describe me to be but I do have definite opinions about equality in general. And I do think if you have the time French is worth the read, if only for some historical perspective as the book I recommended goes way, way, back.

Gerard May 1, 2008 at 12:14 p.m.

JADE_LEE

OK Ok.. Peace. Love, Flowers.

Wilber is about thinking holistically and I read it about 4 or 5 years ago. To confess, I remember digging sticks, holons, and female deities and that's about it.

Personally, I prefer female deities myself as being a red blooded male, can naturally fantasize about my wonderful 'just rewards' in Heaven for being good, as opposed to some crusty, old Almighty Smiter who will lay me waste with thunderous bolts of plague or scurvy for just thinking 'bad' thoughts, which I have seem to have with regularity.

I have heard Wilber 'lost it' anyway and a great mind reduced to cryptographic sentences. Who knows?

As an aside, as I contemplate the opening of the climbing season, my first instructor was a woman. She became the best in the world at big wall climbing of either gender, and had the most wonderful temperament, and 'head space' of anyone I have ever encountered. Courage, perseverance, dedication, belief, skill acquisition, a certain 'in-bounds' daring, and lots of smarts got her quite literally, as well as figuratively, to the top of her chosen profession.

She didn’t have to be a feminist or political to achieve - she just had to ‘be’ in her mind what she was going to be and then achieve.

She became the subject of numerous documentary films, a mother later in life, a published author, and a founder of schools, and reasonably financially secure.

In the vertical world, her name is synonymous with the best, and with remarkable and never duplicated accomplishments.

In all this, she had that one attribute that in the Socratic tradition as opposed to negotiated titles, that makes for the truly Noble person:

Humility.

Something that Conrad Black (the reason originally for this Blog) never had.

I wish you well,

Take care,

G.

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 1:39 p.m.

"Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 11:12 a.m.

It's all about Lit200 here. And that's a fact.
Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 11:15 a.m.

Of course Lit is Barbara Amiel. It's the only logical conclusion after all those Conrad lies and endless excuses for him from that poster."

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My God, my god.

Lit_200 May 1, 2008 at 1:44 p.m.

My hat is off to both JL at 11:28 & G at 12:14. Your instructor could have been my best friend's daughter, except she climbed in BC, not Italy.

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

Conrad Black has been exposed, something that I think more people should experience, it's a humbling experience for many and a transforming one for some.
But like all people who find themselves incarcerated, CB will be given that second chance to redeem himself in the eyes of people who matter to him most. I would never suggest that CB does not deserve a second chance just like I think most criminals do....isn't that our idea of punishment? That when it's over it's over and life goes on?

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.

Language is thought and vice versa. I was lucky to stumble into some very interesting linguistic courses as a student many moons ago and from a very insightful linguist it was conveyed to me the importance of coining words to express our ideas succinctly. But that's an entirely different matter.
I still wondering how a negotiated title such as "Lord" could mean so much to Conrad Black that he would formally give up his Canadian citizenship. Maybe it was a precursor to a pending mental illness or just plain old bad judgment but it was a costly mistake and in future it would be wise of Conrad Black to admit to this mistake so that we can welcome him back into his rightful fold as the Canadian citizen that he is.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 3:22 p.m.

jade lee said:

"I still wondering how a negotiated title such as "Lord" could mean so much to Conrad Black that he would formally give up his Canadian citizenship."

My thought is that it wasn't the title he desired as much as the position that entitled him to the title: owning the Daily Telegraph. He was positioning himself to deliver Iraq war propaganda to the British people. That was his "job" and he and wifie sure delivered the goods. Surely he feels abandoned now by the bigshots who set him up.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 3:25 p.m.

Lit200 responded to my theory about her identity like this:

"My God, my god."

Didn't you say you weren't religious? A bit lame to invoke a deity at this point.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

You be the judge of whether these two characters are the same person:

Lit200 said:

"Unfortunately, from my perspective, super-aggressive feminism betrays and may even be setting the effort back. Some women do not want equality, they want superiority and JL has hinted that she thinks this way."

Barbara Amiel said:

"The first commandment of contemporary feminism ... is to have your cake and eat it: feminists rely on the similarity of the genders when it helps them, while they underline the dissimilarity of men and women if similarity creates a burden for them. This enables feminism to insist that men and women are exactly the same when it comes to who can be an airline pilot, but vastly different when it comes to retaining custody of the children or responding to a pass in the workplace."

http://www.conservativeforum.org/authquo...

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 4:28 p.m.

Yeah Barb in BC that is exactly what I dislike about the opinion of A-meal-ticket Babs, she has no idea what equality really means. Equality has nothing to do with being equal but all to do with opportunity and the idea that given a chance some individuals can achieve great things and that this opportunity should not be overlooked or restricted because of a person's race or gender or social status of which they may have been born into that others see as less than. Newman gets it right in his accessment of who she really is and it's not a woman who clearly thinks like us sane ones. Good things do happen to good people and look what karma has offered up to Barbara Amiel.....poetic justice indeed.

Barbara_in_BC May 1, 2008 at 7:09 p.m.

jade_lee,

It really got my goat to see Amiel using her feminine charms to aquire jobs and men, and then see her trashing feminists. Not every woman is born with the ability to wrap men around her little finger, so equality laws had to be established to allow women to support themselves financially. Otherwise men rule the world. Hey, Amiel never even had to find a cheap daycare while she was working!

charley May 1, 2008 at 7:27 p.m.

I think women are superior to men biologically, stronger constitutions, thus living longer even though bearing children is a health risk factor men don't have to deal with. Another factor is superior personality, decision-making, coping skills which aid in longevity too. None of my pals' fathers outlived their mothers-the mothers averaged about ten years longer. From some reading in biology and evolutionary theory oldest sexual organisms contained male and female functions and the male function splitting off is a later development. I think the male inferiority complex is the reason historically they invented systems, cultures, laws to keep women down- they feared the superior partner.

jade_lee May 1, 2008 at 7:44 p.m.

In the men time Charley many many many women lived and died with unachievable dreams without fault of there own and for this I feel sad.

Lit_200 May 2, 2008 at 9:35 a.m.

Ain't evolution grand? Females are in the process of taking their place at the head of the phalanx. Shame they'll never fully come into their own. I don't think there's enough time because this planet's fuk'd, my opinion.

If, indeed, BA got ahead solely on the basis of her pussy, which I seriously doubt, she would only have been following in the footsteps of a long succession of females back to pre-history, right?

I think this is a perversion, actually. In the rest of the natural world, females usually do the choosing and males have to prove they're worthy - have superior genes. At least that's the conventional wisdom in biology. (In warblers, sexually successful males have learned through winter practice to sing pitch-perfect mating songs while youngsters and sub-par males haven't).

I will never agree with Charley that women, as a gender, are simply "better" than men. That's way too simple.

jade_lee May 2, 2008 at 11:03 a.m.

How about women as as good as men lit?
I seriously doubt BA got as far as she did as a writer due to her great skills as a thinker and there are several testimonials from both men and woman about her "sexualizing" her place of work .....don't kid yourself lit, it's only natural that the beautiful people of the world exploit their good looks to get ahead because of the silly people who can't help but admire beauty, reward it even. It's just another example of the myth about equality, if all characteristics of a person are considered equal, the most beautiful or the tallest will win at the end of the day, perception vs reality is a difficult thing to untangle.

charley May 2, 2008 at 11:09 a.m.

I agree, jade-lee,there has been inestimable sadness for women for centuries. I think until men find a role or are comfortable in their present role thngs won't improve. Overall studying history-and the present- it seems the sum of grief, horror atrocities etc greatly outweighs the amount of human happiness. Why-have we done this to ourselves or is it unavoidable due to the conditions of life? Lit, I guess I don't mean better in an ethical or moral sense just rather women are better adapted to their place in the universe and so behave more positively or sensibly. The "male" being a younger construct maybe needs more time- milennia?- to settle in and "find himself"!

Barbara_in_BC May 2, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.

LIt200 said:

"If, indeed, BA got ahead solely on the basis of her pussy..."

I didn't specify exactly which feminine charms she used! Those huge bazoombas and tiny waist were the charms I meant. Not to mention the way she's willing to suck up to men by HATING FEMINISTS. It's all very nice when a shapely woman joins the boys club and tosses her fellow females overboard. Like a cuckoo in the nest.

Which reminds me of her bird reference:

"In warblers, sexually successful males have learned through winter practice to sing pitch-perfect mating songs while youngsters and sub-par males haven't"

I don't suppose that this is much use to the mother birds once they have a nest full of chicks. I've noticed that Barbara Amiel ALSO uses references to the natural world when she's trying to make a point. She must have taken Biology 101 in her university years.

Barbara_in_BC May 2, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.

This is the kind of thing you get from Barbara Amiel, from a 2002 article which quotes her. In it, she not only uses another bird reference by raises Bush into some kind of hero:

"Pundits have had fun with animal metaphors in describing the way George Bush tapped into the American psyche [after 9/11]. Barbara Amiel in the London Daily Telegraph draws on theories of ethnologist Conrad Lorenz who identifies "imprinting" in the animal kingdom, where the first authority figure in the vision of newly born goslings imprints himself on their consciousness and encourages them to follow his lead.

Taken too far, of course, in that formulation Americans become a motley crew of quacking ducks and jackdaws waddling behind the president...."

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/fi...

Lit_200 May 2, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.

Don't worry about warbler misogyny. The male helps to brood and feed the young. But nature is manifold, I am sure there is a human replay of the sexual habits of the female Wattled Jacana.

"Seduced by a larger, domineering and two-timing female and then abandoned to raise young that aren't his own, the male Wattled Jacana would seem to be a loser ... Males are left to incubate eggs and raise chicks of uncertain paternity. Females, meanwhile, were copulating with other males."

Fintan May 2, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.

Morticia criticising feminists is a bit like Judas criticising idealists and saying loyalty is for suckers.

It wasn't just her pussy she used to advantage, either. According to Tow Bower, I think, His Lardship once said she had not just a great body, but a great mouth as well. From which I infer he meant something along the lines of she could suck a golf ball through two metres of half-inch garden hosepipe. Combine that with her total sell-out of her own gender, and no wonder right-wing ultra-reactionaries like His Lardship found her attractive. His Lardship would have no time for a genuinely intelligent and wise woman. He married one after he knocked her up, but she eventually dumped him once she regained her senses.

I see Lit has been googling again and found a lot of biological stuff that she quasi-understands.

However, human culture is not just nature, but also very much a matter of nurture, and it is in that realm that the struggle for fundamental and human rights, equality and so on
has been and continues to be conducted.

If humans acted only according to the dictates of their biological instincts, we would probably still have slavery and even cannibalism.

This subject is too complex and broad to go into on a blog, but if anyone is interested in how religion has been used to subjugate women and justify that subjugation, I recommend a book that my daughter (you know, the judge who doesn't exist according to some, LOL) read at uni about 15 years ago and then almost forced me to read.

It is "The Serpent and the Goddess" by Mary Condren. In it, she explains brilliantly how cultures, from the ancient Israelites on, developed monotheistic religions and destroyed the old matrilineal cultures in which women had been the priests and healers. An unholy alliance of male clergy and male doctors used every dirty trick to put and keep women "in their place". Burning up to nine million of them at the stake as witches is one example. Vested interests, especially of the male kind, have always been more than willing to play real hardball to shunt out the competition.

Small wonder His Lardship found the RC church so appealing, especially since he chose to ignore all its teachings about social justice and its opposition to wars of aggression, but is more than receptive to the very clear message that the Polish Pope had for women. That message could be summed up in two words. "Down, bitch!"

I really recommend the book. You can get on from Amazon. I guess.

jade_lee May 2, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

The lord works in mysterious ways doesn't she.

Fintan May 2, 2008 at 2:51 p.m.

jade_lee May 2, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

The lord works in mysterious ways doesn't she.

Indeed, and sometimes I think she was just kidding when she created us.

jade_lee May 2, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.

LOL