GravityLevity2 April 21, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

EDDIE G. THE HYPOCRITE:
"I'm not afraid of witnesses. Witnesses are supposed to be afraid of me," he [GREENSPAN] added. [I GUESS ONLY PROSECUTORS ARE TO BE "SEEKERS OF JUSTICE"]

He also accused U.S. prosecutors of shirking their duty as "seekers of justice" in favour of getting convictions and "making a name for themselves."[THIS FROM A NOTORIOUS SHRINKING VIOLET OF THE CANADIAN LEGAL SCENE]

CAN A LEOPARD CHANGE HIS SPOTS, OR HOW NAIVE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE EDDIE TO BE?:
Despite Conrad's past history, inclding his testimony before Strine, a past history which hardly to me indicates a pure-hearted businessman, Greenspan claims, re. the case in which Conrad received 4 convictions, "But so far as specific intent is concerned, I will go to my grave believing that Conrad Black had a pure heart”

Fintan April 21, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

His Lardship, the "British peer", couldn't even get his finger language right. A real Brit, or even someone who had been there long enough to learn the British way of doing things, would have known that the way to signal "up yours" is with two fingers, palm towards himself in a mirror image of Churchill's famous "V" sign.

Like this:

http://images.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=ht...

But he always preferred the American way, and now he's delighted to be in an American prison. LOL

Once the novelty of the place wears off and reality begings to sink in, especially after his appeal fails, he'd better learn to control his impulses a bit better. He lost it when the security guard in Toronto refused Maida permission to take the boxes and he stormed down with the attitude "I won't be thwarted!" Bad mistake.

His next bad mistake will be when his real character rises to the surface for a brief instant of annoyance and he gives Bubba the finger - or even two, British style. ROFLMAO @ the thought.

I found the Tombs article interesting and think the author has a good take on it. Prison is not a bed or roses - it's a place where crooks are punished. His Lardship has only an infinitesmal chance of winning his appeal and no chance of getting a pardon from the Chimp.

He won't get one from President O'Bama, either.

We'll be hearing less and less about him and soon he'll crop up only in those "where are they now" columns.

Karma is not to be screwed with.

Lit_200 April 21, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

Actually, government prosecutors have more responsibility than defense lawyers to defend truth and justice. Defense lawyers have a different responsibility to the system: to defend their clients to the best of their ability, which includes urging the court to release people from prosecution on technicalities etc.

And "pure heart" means "no criminal intent" with regard exclusively to the matters before the court in Chicago, not Delaware.

GL2 wants CB in jail because of dislike, not because of specific crime.

Lit_200 April 21, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

As Doug Bell remembers, Tombs lied like a rug about he being the only reporter in the courtroom during the ostrich discussions. No doubt he is lying about much else. His bias is constant and irritating.

Lit_200 April 21, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.

And more adolescent twaddle by the GBA who wouldn't know what Karma was if he stepped in it.

ungava123 April 21, 2008 at 2:30 p.m.

Hi, I read Douglas Bell's comments just now, and since they concern me, I would like you to publish my reply. Contrary to Bell's wildly inaccurate assertions, I have at no time in my life been a Black hagiographer - talk about hype! A hagiographer is someone who writes a glowing account of a saint's holiness. Give me a break. When did I ever do that? Your magazine/website is now publishing hype of the opposite sort in asserting that I have become a character assassin. I wrote a serious historical biography of Black, called Robber Baron: Lord Black of Crossharbour. The 460-page book came out in October 2007, and is balanced, well-researched, and based on original facts, including facts which came out during the trial. My principle throughout my acquaintanceship with Black (from 2002 onwards) was to assume Black was innocent until proven guilty. I maintained my editorial independence throughout. However at this point, with a conviction for obstruction of justice and three counts of fraud, it is safe to say that Black is the author of his own misfortunes. Actually, the scene I described in a recent piece in The Montreal Gazette took place before court proceedings one morning in late June 2007, around 8:00 am. It seemed to me that four people were present, beyond those directly involved. I have no idea who Douglas Bell is, or what he looks like. I don't really care. But Toronto Life has no business posting this kind of manic trash - which is way beyond what is considered 'fair comment'. I really wonder how Conrad Black manages to maintain a constituency in Toronto these days... Regards from Broadway (and 116th), George Tombs

Fintan April 21, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

Dear Mr. Tombs,

Very interesting what you have just written. On the recommendation of another poster here whose views I greatly respect, I recently ordered a copy of your book and am looking forward to reading it when it arrives in this remote outpost of civilisation in north-east Europe.

Pen1 April 21, 2008 at 3:06 p.m.

Fintan April 21, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

Dear Mr. Tombs,

...I recently ordered a copy of your book and am looking forward to reading it when it arrives in this remote outpost of civilisation in north-east Europe. - fintan

LOL,
still can't find a better hobby eh fintan?
I'm sure George Tombs will appreciate the third copy of his book being sold. You seem to have something in common with George Tombs: you are both hostile parasites to Conrad Black. I don't know what it would be like to obsess over something or someone you claim to hate so much, people like you are alien to normal humans.

Fintan April 21, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.

Cory, worry more about your own upcoming troubles. Get it? LOL

I hope Mr. Tombs keeps monitoring this blog. A couple of things I set in train yesterday may yet prove very interesting indeed from his point of view. Not least the claims made by one stalker, who shall remain nameless, to be acting for one or both of the dastardly due His Lardship and Morticia.

Meanwhile, His Lardship has been in Bubbaland for 49 days. I reckon it's 1,751 to go. But since he likes it so much there, the time will just flash by. LOL

And, who knows, he may find that Bubba is actually an improvement on Morticia in the nookie department.

Come to think of it, what wouldn't be?

ROFLMAO @ u.

Fintan April 21, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

I wonder how many nuisance calls leaf, gory, lit, the superfantasist, daddy's rag doll and co will attempt tonight?

Time for an early hitting of the sack and sweet dreams about a lot of pointless losers - rather like His Lardship. Hee-hee-hee

Pen1 April 21, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

Cory, worry more about your own upcoming troubles. Get it? LOL
- fintan

that sounds like some cryptic threat. whatever you say big mouth. Maybe you're part of Donna's internet savvy web crew that has been retained to locate my whereabouts, get over yourself loser, idle threats and internet big talkers like you and Donna/Casey only lampoon yourselves. By the way have you had any luck locating me or atleaast my IP address.

Meanwhile, His Lardship has been in Bubbaland for 49 days. I reckon it's 1,751 to go. But since he likes it so much there, the time will just flash by. LOL

And, who knows, he may find that Bubba is actually an improvement on Morticia in the nookie department.

Come to think of it, what wouldn't be?
- Fintan

really dude, do jokes about CB getting raped ever get old? is this an endless well of entertainment for you or do you think it helps you heal to project these fantasies daily, en masse to the Toronto Life readership?

GravityLevity2 April 21, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.

"GL2 wants CB in jail because of dislike, not because of specific crime."

Wrong, rather I find it perfectly believable, given his past history, that Conrad had a less than pure heart in doing specific actions that his own lawyer now admits he may have done. One of these actions was captured on video, apparently to the surprise of the obstructor of justice.

GravityLevity2 April 21, 2008 at 5:45 p.m.

re criminal intent:

are you breaking speeding laws if you didn't speed deliberately?
Yes

are you breaking speeding laws if you were speeding, but you didn't know it because deliberately or carelessly you didn't check your speedometer (which was working accurately)?
Yes.

Are you breaking speeding laws if your main motive in driving fast was to get your personal effects away from your former office as fast as possible, and you didn't intend to break the law, but you felt something personal was more pressing to you than keeping to the law?
yes--and that excuse sounds lame, doesn't it?
yes

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 2:09 a.m.

Cory Privy: "...really dude, do jokes about CB getting raped ever get old? is this an endless well of entertainment for you ..."

No and yes, especially when it winds you up.

Actually, I wasn't thinking so much of rape as of consensual sex. He's been inside for 50 days today, and I reckon 1,750 to go.

That's a long time to go without nookie and His lardship has already informed us that Coleman is such a civilised place --- bit like a boarding school, really.

So, sooner or later it'll be time for the daisy chain and soggy biscuit.

Then he won't need Morticia to hang around. He'll be getting his carnal pleasures in the here and now rather than waiting to get out to her and she can return to England and see if she can find a very short-sighted octogenerian billionaire.

ROFL

Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 2:25 a.m.

Mr. Greenspan said:

"I will go to my grave believing that Conrad Black had a pure heart”

Ah, but if Conrad managed to convince himself he was doing nothing wrong he was simply following this rule: when ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

GravityLevity2 April 22, 2008 at 3:06 a.m.

"when ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." I think that wisdom is something that has generally, throughout his life, eluded Con.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 8:30 a.m.

Mr. Greenspan said:

"I will go to my grave believing that Conrad Black had a pure heart”

What nonsense!

It may be that His Lardship himself believes he has a pure heart - most unrepentant criminals and denizens of the land of denial do, but only a really stupid fool would engage such a stupid fool as Greenspan to defend him.

Who could be that stupid?

Oh, yes, that Canadian guy who stole all those millions from the rich in the USA.

Yep, that was stupid all right, but has until around 2013 to wise up.

Karma be praised.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 10:45 a.m.

Actually, I wasn't thinking so much of rape as of consensual sex. He's been inside for 50 days today, and I reckon 1,750 to go. - Fintan

so what's wrong with that? I thought you hated CB, you either are wishing him well or you are a vile homophobic, if he did find love in prison would that not be a good thing? if not and you think this is a bad thing you need to come clean with regards to your searing homophobia.

let us know

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

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Gerard April 22, 2008 at 11:22 a.m.

Mudchute's Finger...

A picture tells a thousand words: Behind the pretension, the negotiated title, the mansions, Bora Bora trip by corporate jet, lavish parties, and penthouses (paid for by the betrayed shareholders) and the many more examples of Black’s delusional 'rights of nobility' and folie de grandeur, Black, when all this is said and done, has absolutely no class whatsoever.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 11:40 a.m.

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Gerard April 22, 2008 at 11:59 a.m.

Cory_Privatera,

Class is style. There is no other way this can be construed in the context it was written in.

Unfortunately, Black always construed class as synonymous with the trappings of those who may enjoy a very lavish style E.g. corporate jets, mansions, expensive parties - but without grace and humility and paid for by oneself, these become vulgar, as vulgar as as Black’s outstretched middle finger..

Whatever way you want to cut it, defend or apologize it, Black used corporate money for his personal lifestyle.

As an inmate of Coleman, as an adjunct to the above, Black has neither class nor style.

But don’t get confused, Privatera. I know this is difficult for you.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.

Gerard: "Unfortunately, Black always construed class as synonymous with the trappings of those who may enjoy a very lavish style E.g. corporate jets, mansions, expensive parties - but without grace and humility and paid for by oneself, these become vulgar, as vulgar as as Black’s outstretched middle finger..."

Yes, Gerard, couldn't have put it better myself. His Lardship and Morticia are so-so cheap, but not inexpensive, as those who entrusted their money to His Lardship found out to their cost.

Lit_200 April 22, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.

Here's class for you. Refer to sexual intercourse as "nookie" (that's the adolescent class); refer to homosexual rape as a great big Haw-Haw-Haw joke. The BGA in fool-land was a pioneer in introducing crassness and boorishness and inanity to this blog. and oh yes...

"Get a life, Gory. I'm making fun of His Lardship and Morticia - and especially you"

We're all indebted to the GBA for this, otherwise, who would have known?

And as for GL2, intent is immaterial in a speeding charge, but it is an integral part of the charge of obstructing justice. Cripes. That's pretty simple.

Lit_200 April 22, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

Those who entrusted their money to Conrad Black always made a good return on the investment. That didn't change until Tweedy and Breeden hatched their conspiracy to raid Hollinger.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:11 p.m.

Whatever way you want to cut it, defend or apologize it, Black used corporate money for his personal lifestyle. - Gerard

Than why wasn't he found criminally culpable for doing so?

As an inmate of Coleman, as an adjunct to the above, Black has neither class nor style. - Gerard

yes he is an inmate, I understand that, thanks for pointing that out. Lots of people go to prison, Martha Stewart for example. I would assume that when you have become an inmate the last thing you care about is whether you are considered classy by people, you care about doing your time and fighting your appeal or getting on with others there, I don't think classyness holds much importance to anyone in prison, lest they become despised by their fellow inmates, am I wrong?

But don’t get confused, Privatera. I know this is difficult for you.

What's difficult is that i've heard all the stock insults that keep getting re-hashed from the last 10 years on Black ad naseum. It's beyond cliche and really there was no crime committed, anyone who can see the small pwercentage that the NC;s were in relation to the tremendous value that was obtained in the sale of the newspapers in question, in conjunction with the regulatory hoops, consultations with auditing and legal firms, having each transaction signed by the auditng board and outside auditors, corporate legal firms and on and on would indicate that no crime was committed and people like you like to bring up lavish lifestyle and corporate jets, as if all CEO's of corporate companies do not live this way and live in group homes and work pro bono. Look at the US look at the mothers in Texas who had their children stolen from them based on a fake claim of rape called in by a mental patient, the US is out of control, Black has learned the hard way that things aren't peaches in the US, people like fintan cream themselves at this irony, but Conrad Black is a human being, he is paying his dues for whatever shortcomings he may have, but the notion that he is Irredeemable because of mansions or trips to Bora Bora is just reflective of the glutinous hate trip people like you and fintan are on. It's disgusting.

Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 1:17 p.m.

Lit200 keeps repeating that Conrad Black committed no crime. Why not? If you keep catapulting the propaganda someone might believe you. It's worth a shot.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.

Lit200 keeps repeating that Conrad Black committed no crime. Why not? If you keep catapulting the propaganda someone might believe you. It's worth a shot - BBC

don't omit me Barb, I too claim that he committed no crime, what am I chopped liver?

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

See the post dated January 18. Looks like Gory has been at it for quite a while.

This is the guy who wrote my son should have been drowned at birth, my mother should have had an abortion, who likes to smash bricks into people's black faces ... and the idiot has the temerity to accuse me of homophobia.

LOL
Read back through my posts (or get leaf to do it, she's good at that) and see how often I've made it clear that whatever gets y'off, whatever floats your boat is OK with me.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t...

Now wait for Gory to deny that he wrote the above.

What a sad scene. In a way I almost feel sorry for His Lardship with only the likes of Gory to defend him.

ROFLMAO @ such a cretin.

Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.

"don't omit me Barb, I too claim that he committed no crime, what am I chopped liver?"

Yes.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.

gerard = fickton

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:46 p.m.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

fintan, much to your dismay, i am not the only cory privatera in the world or online:

but you go on with your bad self girl, we've been over this before fintan/gerard/pclg or whatever:

Thursday, August 4, 2005, 5:00 p.m.
A Marketable Monster

They're an unavoidable part of police work, a key source of inside information about criminals. They're the squealers, stoolies, informants. But their information comes with a price - they are, after all, criminals. And when your informant is a hardened psychopath, who doesn't play by your rules-or anybody else's then you've got a tiger by the tail. CORY PRIVATERA was one - he played both sides for whatever he could get.

REPEAT AIRING CC

leaf April 22, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.

"Lit200 keeps repeating that Conrad Black committed no crime. Why not? If you keep catapulting the propaganda someone might believe you. It's worth a shot. "- Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 1:17 p.m.

somewhat like you repeating for months that i'm BA? something like that, blondie?

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

Here's more on another Cory Privatera that is not me:

This is the story of the RCMP's gangster-informant Cory Privitera, as outlined by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's investigative journalism show, "The Fifth Estate": this is "The Story the Mounties Do Not Want Us to Tell You".

If anyone is still laboring under the illusion that the RCMP are somehow above any suspicions of criminal acts, this brief introduction to the sort of people the RCMP like to employ should clear up such misconceptions. Privitera was paid an estimated $300,000 while working for the RCMP and other Canadian police forces.

This story was first unearthed by the Ottawa Citizen's senior writer Gary Dimmock, who at the that time was a reporter focusing upon police matters in New Brunswick.

"It all started like a basic daily crime story that there was a guy found dead in a vacant basement apartment and when we went there, the police right away said 'no foul play,'" said Mr. Dimmock. "Then about six months later, me and a buddy that I was working on the story with, we just put it together. We knew of this guy who was an RCMP informant and then we connected it six months later. It was just one of those stories that you just covered like a regular story and then six months later you started connecting the circumstances."

Mr. Privitera was living in the house where the body was found in the basement apartment. The Fifth Estate picked up the story four years after police claim Mr. Privitera committed suicide by shooting himself with a flare gun while in British Columbia; and their coverage of Mr. Privitera's career as an RCMP informant draws upon three days of taped interviews conducted by Mr Dimmock with Mr. Privitera.

In their presentation of the story, The Fifth Estate revealed that Mr. Privitera:

- was recruited by the RCMP in the summer of 1989 in Barrie, Ontario;
- drove a beat-up old car with no muffler and swastika's spray painted on the side, and habitually drove over stop signs, on sidewalks, on lawns and over flower beds without being stopped or charged by police;
- in bars, regularly slipped drugs into women's drinks before raping them; and into men's drinks before beating them up....

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:49 p.m.

cont....

- ran a break and enter ring which focussed upon residential homes, whereby teenagers equipped with walkie-talkies stole, from homes and warehouses, hundreds of thousands of dollars of goods for him in return for alcohol and drugs which he actively encouraged them to use;
- had one teen who, arrested for robbery, died of a massive morphine overdose in Privitera's home shortly after being released from custody: no investigation or inquest was ever held into the death, which police attributed to "accidental causes"; and all levels of police, including the Solicitor General, refuse to answer any questions concerning this incident;
- regularly visited bars carrying drugs, handguns, and grenades (all of which are illegal in Canada) unopposed;
- turned in members of a motorcycle club that he was affiliated with but, all those charged on his testimony were acquitted by a judge who called Privitera "a thug and a devious criminal" who's testimony was "completely unreliable";
- the RCMP then moved him to Halifax, Nova Scotia where he was given a new identity, a house, and $37,000; he stayed there until the Halifax police demanded he be moved out of the city so, the RCMP moved him to Fredericton, New Brunswick (population 46,000);
- in Fredericton he was paid $500 a week by the RCMP; Fredericton police soon arrested him, after a bouncer in a bar told him to leave the bar for urinating on the floor and Privitera responded by pulling a knife and threatening to burn the bar down;
- after revealing to the police at the jail he was taken to that he was an RCMP agent, he bragged to his lawyer about knowing ways to kill people such as injecting them in places where it can't be detected;
- the lawyer's cousin was later found in Privitera's basement, dead of a drug overdose; the case was quickly closed, labeled as another "accidental death" despite a lack of needle marks uncovered in the autopsy: and the dead man's cousin (Privitera's lawyer) stated that 'the police totally protected their agent (Privitera) during the investigation';
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Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.

in conclusion...fintan are you saying this CP is me aswell???

in 1995, when the RCMP tried to fire him as an agent, Privitera shook them down for $10,000 by threatening suicide and/or going public with his story;
- when police tried to move Privitera out of Fredericton, he threatened them, their wives, and their children; he also told them to 'get the body bags ready' because he had enough cyanide to poison the city's water supply;
- in 1996, Privitera sued the RCMP for "wrongful dismissal"; the police settled the suit out of court;
- in 1998, Privitera was found dead of a drug overdose, and shot through the head with a flare gun; a note found neatly pinned to his shirt read: "It is a good day to die".

In total, Privitera was paid at least $300,000 by the police, who still refuse to confirm that he ever worked for them.
SO: that's the sort of people the RCMP hire to work for them here in Canada; and, those are the sorts of things such people then get away with doing

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:01 p.m.

gerard aka fickton, mr. anusman, mr. buttfukc himself, wanting to wax poetic about class?!!!

"There's a Norwegian retail chain called Kondomeriet that sells adult products like sex dolls (called Uppblåsbara Barbara) and the same thing in a sheep version (called Uppblåsbara Baa-Baa). Uppblåsbar means inflatable.
They're not expensive, either." - Fintan July 17, 2007 at 6:47 a.m.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 2:07 p.m.

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Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 2:07 p.m.

leaf asked:

"somewhat like you repeating for months that i'm BA? something like that, blondie?"

No... not a bit like that.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 2:11 p.m.

Gory, yawn, yawn, yawn ...

The handle I chose is the name of a legendary figure who was wise. Why do you honour a real scumbag by using his name as your handle if you do not identify with him? Some of the things you have written in the past, such as telling a man his only son should have been drowned at birth, makes you the same sort of scum.

Time for you to try getting a life.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:12 p.m.

what's the difference, blondie?

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.

If you like, leafie, I can check with them to see if they make custom models. Maybe I could get a daddy, or bro, or cuz or daddy's nice friend made specially for you. - fintan/gerard

OMG,

fintan/gerard = beacon of class

LOL

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:21 p.m.

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Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 2:23 p.m.

The handle I chose is the name of a legendary figure who was wise. Why do you honour a real scumbag by using his name as your handle if you do not identify with him? - fintan

how are you so sure it's not my real name smart guy??
if there is another guy named itse out who rapes kids should you be held responsible, well chances are it might actually be you, but you get my point. The point is that whoever posted on that other blog was probably inspired by the CP I mentioned above, not me.

to clarify this do you think DJ Konrad Black should have been on trial with Conrad Black of National Post or Telegraph fame, what is your point Itse? that those with the same namesake are somehow connected??

english / deutsch

Konrad Black has been involved in DJing, producing and performing music for the past 10 years. A constant throughout his career is the signature mix of dirty bass threads with atmospheric sounds, emerging from his roots in Drum and Bass and Hip Hop.

http://www.geist-agency.com/public/index...

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.

cory, don't flatter anusman. he doesn't have a son, nor a wife, nor a daughter.
he's got inflatable dolls and inflatable sheep.

... and a lot of class!

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

blondie, what is the difference???

Gerard April 22, 2008 at 2:37 p.m.

Cory_Privetera,

You still don't get it do you?

Do you remember some of Black's email musings to Radler subitted to the court? Probably not.

In an example of one, Black 'reaffirmed their (Radler and Black's) 'entitlements to certain privileges'.

He wrote 'You and I profited so well'

These privileges included the company's paying for chauffeurs and half of the cost of Black's London chef. Black wrote that executives should not allow the "agitations of shareholders" to "force us into a hair shirt" and that they need not "revolutionize" their style with "a Damascene conversion to vows of poverty."

Black used other people's money (the shareholders') for his own personal lifestyle. He may have not been convicted of this as a felony - but, Privatera, to anyone with style, to the level that Black took corporate privilege, one of mocking, sneering abuse, this was vulgar and coarse, and his verbal defense of it even the more so.

So you see:

"Style is the dress of thoughts; and let them be ever so just, if your style is homely, coarse, and vulgar, they will appear to as much disadvantage, and be as ill received, as your person, though ever so well-proportioned, would if dressed in rags, dirt, and tatters. "
- Lord Chesterfield (1694-1773) British statesman.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:41 p.m.

Ger lard, what's wrong with your phone? sounds totally dead!
HAHAHA

Gerard April 22, 2008 at 2:49 p.m.

Take your medications Leaf - you are behind.

And you know what happens when you get behind: You will get your nightmares again and forget who you are supposed to be once more.

Then the needles will come and the heavy tranquilizers.

Now go get your pills that keep you anchored to a semblance of reality.

Because it is not phones that are dead, Leaf, but you.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.

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Gerard April 22, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

Leaf,

You are not even close with that. You do live in an alternate reality - and like Lit_200, you are also a crashing bore.

Go take your meds.

You really need them now. It's showing.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:03 p.m.

Black used other people's money (the shareholders') for his own personal lifestyle. He may have not been convicted of this as a felony - but, Privatera- Gerard

i disagree, he bought his houses with his own money he paid for his own vacations, the use of the jet was audited and approved as Black did business almost everywhere he went and it was proven in a court that he spent $250,000 of his own money on the trip to Bora Bora. The non competes were never "shareholders money" it was money that was allocated to them based on the sale of the newspaper assets. These were assets that Black himself made valuable not the shareholders, the shareholders wanted to oust Black and piece out the assets and flip the company private equity style, Black wanted to keep the company intact, everything else is sloganeering, the quotes made to Radler may not be nice to your ears but by no means are they indicitive of a crime. At all

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

lastly,
if Black was intent on screwing the shareholders over, he would only be screwing himself and even his staunches critics would not call Black a selfless man, you see he piled $300mm of his own earnings over the years back into the Hollinger group of companies more than any other individual or financial institution. He wanted what was best for the company himself and the shareholders. He's in jail because he wouldn't bend over en cue to the SEC Tweedy and the rest of them.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 3:11 p.m.

hey gerlard, has the helsinki police been in touch with you yet about your friend glock?
i told them glock might be an illegal alien.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 3:15 p.m.

If you do get through, leaf, say hi to Bubba for me.

LOL

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.

If you do get through, leaf, say hi to Bubba for me.

LOL

- Fintan

oh truth be told at last, it is you who is friendly and intimate with infamous Bubba, I don't even want to know the details. LOL

leaf April 22, 2008 at 3:19 p.m.

- Lit200 keeps repeating that Conrad Black committed no crime. Why not? If you keep catapulting the propaganda someone might believe you. It's worth a shot.

- somewhat like you repeating for months that i'm BA? something like that, blondie?

- No... not a bit like that.

- what's the difference, blondie?

- ......

- blondie, what is the difference???

- .......

- BLONDIE! what is the bloody difference?!!!

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.

no wonder you are so fixated on Black meeting your pal Bubba, tell us fickton, although I said that I didn't want to know the details, I'll give you a chance to come clean: have you done prison time? is that where you and Bubba became pals, is that why you are so obsessed with CB having gay relations in jail, is this all a terrible projection on your part. The healing starts now Fickton

leaf April 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m.

"If you do get through, leaf, say hi to Bubba for me."

will do, fickton. i know youze 2 are very intimate.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.

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GravityLevity2 April 22, 2008 at 3:39 p.m.

"And as for GL2, intent is immaterial in a speeding charge, but it is an integral part of the charge of obstructing justice. Cripes. That's pretty simple." Silly, silly Lit; I knew you wouldn't read or think with subtlety on this matter, and would come up with this objection.

BTW, Is "cripes" any classier than "nookie"?

So, Part I: Actually if you are speeding on a genuine matter of life and death, you may well avoid a speeding charge.

Criminal intent means doing a crime and knowing it's a crime, and not having serious extenuating circumstances. Conrad now claims extenuating circumstances: being forced to retreive his personal effects. (Note a representative of the company had refused earlier in th eday to let Conrad's rep remove those boxes--so much for being forced to remove them: it seems to have been the contrary.) Those papers and effects weren't going out in the trash, they weren't about to be incinerated, Conrad wasn't saving them. Why not?-->because there was a Canadian order to keep them intact, in their location, an order which Conrad could have pointed out the new owners of Hollinger were threatening to violate, if they were indeed going to toss the stuff in teh office.

Because Conrad moved the boxes, justice was corrupted, in that authorities do not know what was in those boxes when they were actually moved; no objective third party took an inventory of them as they left the building. Further, Justice means having a secure evidentiary trail. Conrad knew he was disrupting that trail by moving boxes containing not only his personal effects but a the very least the originals of documents pertinent to the case, which the authorities had not released to him. If the newly functioning camera had not been installed, those original documents could have just vanished.
So you cannot have a pure heart when, in order to remove your personal effects you remove papers you know you have no right to, and knowingly disrupt the evidentiary trail; just as you have no right to speed to get to the office to remove those boxes full of your stuff.

Part II to follow

GravityLevity2 April 22, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

Part II:
Finally, Conrad never testified that his motives were pure or his motives exculpatory. In court any evidence on that was hearsay and inferential. Nor did he testify that he had no inkling that there was or was likely to be an American order, and explain how that highly improbable situation of his ignorance (not looking at the speedometer, and not paying attention to how fast the landscape is flying by) came about. The second-hand allegations presented in court that he didn't know the formal order had come down don't constitute reasonable doubt that he, at the least, knew it was likely to come down.

On the obstruction charge, his purity of heart would have to result from an ignorance of the world and of the law which is just not credible in someone of Black's age, intelligence and background.

It's one thing to buy into the fraud of the noncompetes as you do, Lit; that fraud seems to have been well thought out and cunningly designed, so I can see how it might still be convincing to someone who had a bias against the USJD, and was suspicious of any charges brought by US prosecutors on anything to anybody. But to buy into the after-the-fact lies about the hastily improvised obstruction: you are a Black partisan of some sort, despite your declarations of disinterestedness and not liking him all that much.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

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leaf April 22, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

"If anyone is stupid enough to follow leaf's advice to call the number she posted, be sure to use a robot dialler just like her. "

good advice fickton, thanks.

if anyone doesn't have a robot dialer, just contact me. i'll tell you what to do to be completely untraceable, just like me ☺

leaf.deblogger@yahoo.com

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

Finally, Conrad never testified that his motives were pure or his motives exculpatory. G & L

not testifying is not an admission of guilt, learn how American Justice works before you bestow us with your cockamamie thoeries, it is common place in American law that when defendants believe that they are winning the case they do not testify, 99% of defendants do not testify most lawyers will prohibit their client from doing so. Usually lawyers will tell their client to testifiy when they feel everything has gone bad and it is used as a hail mary. Black not testifying only indicates that they thought they were winning the trial at the end of testimony.

Barbara_in_BC April 22, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

The only other adult person I"ve met whose hobby was harassing people by means of the telephone was my mother-in-law when she was drunk. An old harridan who had to "get back" at people by calling them at odd hours and hanging up. She's now in a nursing home and has not got access to either liquor or phones... must be frustrating.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.

"if anyone doesn't have a robot dialer, just contact me. i'll tell you what to do to be completely untraceable, just like me"

JUST LIKE ME??? Who on earth would want to be a twisted, malicious person like leaf, but basically someone who can just do mischief, and gain nothing.

Yesterday I walked along the Baltic shoreline and noticed that some sick f^ck had removed lifebuoys from their posts and thrown them in the sea.

In other words, as hard as it is to face the fact, we have people here who are just as sick as leaf.

I wonder what happened to them?

Maybe they had the same kind of family circumstances, were used and abused like rag dolls and then discarded.

Now, for a few seconds, they can throw a lifebuoy into the sea, smash a window, pull wings off a fly ... the list is endless.

they gain nothing by doing it, but for a brief instant they have a sense of having some kind of power.

What, I speculate, leaf lacked when daddy felt horny.

No longer laughing at her. Sort of sad really, but I'll still be glad when she gets caught and sent for the treatment she so badly needs.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.

"has not got access to either liquor or phones... must be frustrating."

i guess you would know, blondie.

so, what is the difference?

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.

really know how to push your buttons, don't I though? I am becoming more and more convinced that your obsession with paedophilia stems from your own experience. -fickton

But why don't you finger daddy or big bro or cuz or daddy's friends, whoever it or they was or were - fickton

What, I speculate, leaf lacked when daddy felt horny.

- fickton

read the above 3 quotes by Fickton, this from his last 3 posts.
Let's say the pot is calling the kettle Conrad Black

don't make me dig through all of the perverse filth you've inundated the TL readership with.

Fintan April 22, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

Any luck with that number, leafie? It's not dead you know. Let us know tomorrow whether or not you finally managed to disturb my sleep.

Oh, and do tell us, do you secretly miss daddy? And do you see me as some kind of substitute? But, eat your heart out, I'm happy with my (non-existent) wife. If she weren't around, Scarlett Johansson or someone like her would be a reasonable substitute, not a used whale like you.

Tee-hee.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

get caught for what?

for making phone calls that you don't hear, fickton? yup, that's a police priority, no doubt.

by the way, where's casey? she was spending all kinds of money to get me and then she disappears without a word.
don't you miss her, buttboy?

leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:13 p.m.

scarlett? yeah, i'm sure you're just her type, anusman. dream on and go twiddle your plastic and inexpensive barbara.

Lit_200 April 22, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.

This is no longer silly, it's otherworldly:

"Because Conrad moved the boxes, justice was corrupted, in that authorities do not know what was in those boxes when they were actually moved..."

How many, many does it have to be pointed out that everything in Black's office had long ago been copied and forwarded to the DOJ? Why is it so difficult to understand that THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT OFFICE THAT THE US DOJ HAD NOT ALREADY SEEN?

Sorry for the caps but CRIPES, it's irritating to have to restate the obvious. Even David Copperfield couldn't pull off a trick like that.

leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:19 p.m.

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Lit_200 April 22, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

And it is obstructed, not corrupted... but what the heck, it doesn't really matter in a conversation that takes place on the other side of the looking glass.

Pen1 April 22, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.

Oh, and do tell us, do you secretly miss daddy? And do you see me as some kind of substitute? - fickton

4 for 4

leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.

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leaf April 22, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.

" (there is no such thing as the Helsinki police) " - fickton

we all know (except blondie) that fickton is a liar. we also all know (except blondie) that fickton is stupid.

how easy is it to verify if there is or not a helsinki police?

one word: google.

and fickton wonders about my credibility...

Lit_200 April 22, 2008 at 11:20 p.m.

Gerard (fiction, PCLG, Ass hole or whomever else you pretend to be)

I am wounded to the quick that you think I am a crashing bore. I will probably never get over such a penetrating insult. God, I'm hurt.

Oh, it's only YOU! Ah well then, that's ok. Whew! For a minute I thought it was somebody who could tell the difference, somebody who knew his ass from his elbow.

Sorry. Carry on being thick as a post.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 12:11 a.m.

Another morning after a good night's sleep. Leaf is still malicious, still frustrated, still caught in the memory of whatever made her what she is. I am still free, and His Lardship is still in Coleman. 51 days down, 1,749 or so to go.

And leaf, lit, cory can do nothing at all about it.

And the wheels of law enforcement, although they move slowly, are moving inexorably.

His Lardship never dreamed when he was stealing all that loot that he would end up where he is now.

Nor does leaf really believe she'll end up in a padded cell.

By the way, whatever happened to daddy. Is he dead? Or are you thinking of having him finally brought to justice?

LOL

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 12:13 a.m.

Cory: "Finally, Conrad never testified that his motives were pure or his motives exculpatory. G & L

not testifying is not an admission of guilt"

Stupid, stupid Cory. Conrad was caught on video removing boxes he should not have. In doing so, he obstucted justice by disrupting the evidentiay trail.

You got that, so far.

But, Conrad's defense says, he didn't do it with an impure heart; 1. he had only one motive, getting his personal stuff, and 2. he had no idea of any (possible) American order not to move the stuff.
Both 1 and 2 have to do with what was in Conrad's mind.

The only way to have established points one and two, which have to do with Conrad's state of mind, is for Conrad to testify: only he can really know the contents of his mind. Otherwise the jury is left with video of him commiting a crime and no clear declaration from him as to what was on his mind when he was doing it.

So points 1 and 2 are not established sufficiently to throw reasonable doubt as to the criminality of Conrad's intent.
Of course even if he had testified, his alleged state of mind would have been exposed under cross-examination as so absurd that he would lose all credibility.

leaf April 23, 2008 at 12:24 a.m.

conrad black, barbara amiel, incest: 3 reasons for fickton to get up in the morning.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 12:37 a.m.

"conrad black, barbara amiel, incest: 3 reasons for fickton to get up in the morning." - leaf, the abuse victim who thinks making mischief for me will somehow negate the abuse she suffered - wipe out the past! LOL

Actually, I have many other reasons to get up. Such as the fact that it's a beautiful sunny spring morning. I'm having my second cup of delightful Keralan coffee. Soon I'll go for a walk in the park and see the daffodils that are just blooming, and listen to the birds singing.

All of the little pleasures in life that come with not being an incarcerated criminal - or a nutbar whom abuse has turned into an obsessive crank.

Then, of course, the knowledge that I can scoff at leaf any time I feel like it is yet another reason to get up.

P.S. Who did you connect to last night? And did you tell them I was diverting calls, and who you are? ROFLMAO @ the naive rag doll.

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 12:38 a.m.

"This is no longer silly, it's otherworldly:

"Because Conrad moved the boxes, justice was corrupted, in that authorities do not know what was in those boxes when they were actually moved..."

How many, many does it have to be pointed out that everything in Black's office had long ago been copied and forwarded to the DOJ? Why is it so difficult to understand that THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT OFFICE THAT THE US DOJ HAD NOT ALREADY SEEN?

Sorry for the caps but CRIPES, it's irritating to have to restate the obvious. Even David Copperfield couldn't pull off a trick like that."

you are quite predictable Lit. I put that digression into my analysis as bait for you, and you took it. The gist of my analysis is not affected if I remove the sentence. You are, however, not totally predictable in that you now show a touching belief in the omniscience and accuracy of US J when that belief favours your guy Conrad.

So here are the three main points in my analysis: 1. Conrad knew or reasonably should have known he should not remove those boxes because he had no permission to do so and because he knew he was under investigation. He also knew the boxes contained papers relevant to the case.
2. Conrad's alleged urgent need to move his personal effects is not convincing, since the last word he had received from a company rep was that they were not to be removed and because Hollinger was prevented from tossing the stuff by the Canadian court order.
3. If you commit a crime and know you are committing a crime, but you do it anyway, you are acting with intent to commit a crime, even if you have countervailing motives. Lack of criminal intent means not knowing and having no reasonable way of knowing you are comitting a crime, so when you do the thing it is without intent to commit the crime to achieve. If you know you're committing a crime, your countervailing motives have to be extraordinary (life and death) to be exculpatory. Conrad's alleged motives, even if accurate, were not extraordinary.

Can you convincingly refute these three points?

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 12:40 a.m.

leaf, fintan: get a room

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.

and take cory there with you

leaf April 23, 2008 at 12:48 a.m.

fickton, don't take back little children to your home from the park.

GL2... what a creepy thought. i thought you had more common sense than putting anyone in a room with fickton.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 1:32 a.m.

1.30 a.m. in Coleman and His Lardship is lying awake wondering if maybe he shouldn't have stolen that money or obstructed that justice after all. He's also wishing Bubba would stop snoring and farting in his sleep.

Morticia is lying on a thin layer of Watford soil in her coffin and dreaming of disembowelling me.

Question, before I have to hurry off to work. Busy day today:

A: leaf claims that I am a child molester.

B: I speculate that her obsession with this subject is due to her own experience, probably within her own family.

Which has the greater ring of truth about it? A or B?

LOL

Back later to amuse myself and make her squirm more.

leaf April 23, 2008 at 1:55 a.m.

ok let's settle this once and for all!

Which has the greater ring of truth about it? A or B?

it is interesting to note that option B also supports my claim, with an added twist.
do you wish to rephrase the question, buttman?

otherwise just vote A or B, but VOTE!

Barbara_in_BC April 23, 2008 at 2:11 a.m.

Note to leaf: My vote is for Obama.

I also agree that you and Fintan should get a private room to argue in. He gave you his e-mail address...

Lit_200 April 23, 2008 at 7:17 a.m.

How can anyone intentionally remove evidence so as to block an investigation when the investigators already have the evidence in hand?

GL2 - you have this key problem to resolve before you can go anywhere else with your "proof" that Black intended to obstruct the course of justice when he removed his personal effects from the office he had just been kicked out of.

What you think the company representative may have said, what the Canadian court may have ruled are absolutely immaterial to the charge brought forward in Chicago, and Judge Amy St Eve said as much in her charge to the jury. Those points are null, devoid of force, have no application.

Conrad Black did not have to prove that he had no criminal intent. Until it was proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he INTENDED to obstruct, he is innocent of that charge.

IMHO the jury did not even make that determination: they, like you, watched the video and came to their unsupported conclusion. It was a travesty of justice.

leaf April 23, 2008 at 9:31 a.m.

blondie... your vote is meaningless and your opinion worthless.

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 10:04 a.m.

Morticia is lying on a thin layer of Watford soil in her coffin and dreaming of disembowelling me. - Fickton

this clown makes Conrad Black look humble, delusions of grandeur are rampant. Fickton just because you've made Barbara Amiel your lifes passion does not mean she is equally obsessed with you.

This is the problem with the internet, it gives the most unsavory types a legitimate forum to get off and spew all types of perversions to a wide array of strangers. One must be extremely vigilant while processing the thoughts of the severely deranged, perhaps mentally challenged participants on these web blogs.
fickton must think he's really funny making references to Bubba, and gay prison love over and over and over again, I think it's really awful, there is nothing at all funny about prison rape, there is nothing at all funny about soap in the shower about Bubba or any of these cliche's, there is also nothing at all original about this either, prison rape is a serious problem and renders a prison sentence cruel and unusual punishment, it is evil it is awful, but fintan thinks it's hysterical. Gleaning from his political musings that surface from time to time, albeit lacking any sort real clarity or expertise, he poses as a left leaning liberal, why then is a humanitarian crisis like prison rape so funny to him? that's a rhetorical question, any one who has followed this blog knows he is nothing short of a madman.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 11 a.m.

Glad I'm winding you up, Gory.

I'll just have to take your word for it that prison rape isn't funny, since I've no experience of it.

But do let us know why it's such a sore point with you. No pun intended.

And isn't there a lot of poetic justice in knowing that someone who was such a big neocon pain in the arse for so long is nowadays suffering the odd twinge in his own?

My point is really about the helplessness of the once-so-powerful control freak. Rather like the helplessness of the other freak here, probably the same "person" as you. She lives in a prison of her past helplessness and thinks all her futile efforts to make mischief for me will make her feel better. Both of you need help. LOL

Now blow it out your ear!

ROFLMAO @ you and the rest of your family.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 11:12 a.m.

Specially for Gory -and Morticia if she's lurking. Jokes about dropping the soap can be funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe45tkgvu...

Enjoy!

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 11:19 a.m.

Gory: "Fickton just because you've made Barbara Amiel your lifes passion does not mean she is equally obsessed with you."

But someone is obsessed with me, as leaf's round-the-clock efforts demonstrate, LOL. You must admit I've found a perfect subject for slagging off, mockery and ridicule in Satan in Stilettos, the undead skeleton, who has spent millions on trying to look 25, but who is really a hideous hag and a parody of human vanity and folly. That she still have the chutzpah to write columns for that rag Toothpaste (probably subsidised by her husband the prison bitch) show that she just doesn't get it that he day is done and she just ought to slither off back under a rock.

SML

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

Glad I'm winding you up, Gory.- Fickton

business as usual no wind up really, i'm just pointing out the obvious about your character, i will continue to do so.

And isn't there a lot of poetic justice in knowing that someone who was such a big neocon pain in the arse for so long is nowadays suffering the odd twinge in his own?
- fickton

i'm really glad you wrote this, this exibits exactly what I was referring to. You disagree with someone politically so you think it is appropriate for them to be forcefully sodomized in prison. The brutal irony in this is that your political bent is leftist yet you advocate what is in all regards torture. This outlines the crux of your mental deficiencies, you're liberal but you want those with a different view than yours to be tortured. Thanks for making things easy for me to point out.

But do let us know why it's such a sore point with you. No pun intended. - Fickton

i just don't think it's funny I think it is evil cruel and wrong. You are advocating torture. You are a mentally diseased individual. That's obvious.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 11:41 a.m.

Get a life, Gory!

When you're done lecturing me and whiningly moralising, maybe you can spare some of your holier-than-thouness for your other aspect leaf.

Or maybe for Toronto Life, which has still not removed a post in which your other aspect offers to teach others the black art of using telephones as an instrument of terrorism.

What a hypocrite you are! The person who wrote a few weeks ago that my only son should have been drowned at birth.

LOL

I'm playing a little mental game with myself here, and imagining that you are either His lardship's scofflaw son or Morticia, or close to one or other or both of them.

The more you rant, the greater my enjoyment. The best thing you could do would be to ignore me, but you can't do that, can you?

Now, Gory, have a nice cup of tea, take a prozac and relax.

And don't drop the soap.

ROFLMAO

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.

Fickton is rough when it is safe to be, let there be no doubt he is an ideological coward. Is rape a safe thing to joke about? no it is not, fintan won't joke about women getting raped on the streets of Helsinki, not because he is not deranged enough to do so, because if it was a woman he found to be out of favor with his twisted ideals he would certainly revel in this outcome, but male on male rape for some reason is safe to joke about in our society, so as a conformist Fickton will joke laugh and rehash despicalbe cliche's because he thinks it is funny. Rape is not funny Fickton, not when it happens to a male or a female, it is absolutely wrong and it is criminal, but to human garbage like fintan it is an endless source of amusement.

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.

Or maybe for Toronto Life, which has still not removed a post in which your other aspect offers to teach others the black art of using telephones as an instrument of terrorism - fickton

I've never called you, not once, get over yourself.

I'm playing a little mental game with myself here, - fickton

well said, enough said.

and imagining that you are either His lardship's scofflaw son or Morticia, or close to one or other or both of them. - Fickton

just like BBC said, you are employing the art of propaganda, repeat something enough and it becomes truth, wasn't it one of your favorite nazionalists who outlined this tactic. Why don't i just start calling you David Radler's daughter, maybe that will stick.

And don't drop the soap - Fickton

how original.

What a hypocrite you are! The person who wrote a few weeks ago that my only son should have been drowned at birth. - Fickton

i'm no hypocrite, I believe in euthanizing those who are condemned biologically, for their own mercy.

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 11:54 a.m.

Lit 200:
thank you for your response.
1. The boxes contained evidence. Whatever your opinion is, it was not the opinion of the American legal system that they should be moved. The American legal system ruled that it was reasonable to hold that the investigators were not yet finished with the evidence in that office. Why is it reasonable for the American jury to believe that Conrad's private assessment (made--as far as the jury knew--without any legal consultation or consultation with the American authorities) of the evidentiary situation was superior to the one delivered by American justice system? Why is it reasonable for the jury to believe that Conrad indeed actually made that assessment?
[Can you answer these questions, Lit?]
My main point above of Conrad's unwarranted prresumption on relying on his own personal judgement may be supplemented by this point: By being moved to another environment and handled, the original documents were potentially contaminated if the authorities had decided they need to fingerprint them, or do other forensic analysis of them.

2. My points in my previous post about the Canadian order and the security guard have to do solely with Conrad's alleged pure-hearted motivation--he had to get the personal effects out of there toute de suite because Hollinger had told him to. This alleged motivation is not credibile. Why not?
A. The last word from the company, via the security guard to Conrad's rep, before Conrad took the stuff, was "don't take the stuff". (I believe this was established in testimony in court, and wasn't ruled out of order by the judge. If it was indeed established in court, the jury was reasonable to have disbelieved the allegations of the urgency of the company's position re. the dispossal of the contents of Conrad's office.)

B. Entre nous and Eddie, we know that Hollinger was constrained by the Canadian order from removing the stuff. We know that Conrad knew of the Canadian order. So we know the stuff was not likely to be tossed by the company. Unless you want to believe that that didn't occur to smart Connie, the alleged reason for sense of urgency he felt is not credible.

GravityLevity2 April 23, 2008 at 11:59 a.m.

3. If soneome does a crime and knows, or reasonably should know, he is doing a crime, he is acting with criminal intent. Lit, you believe that Conrad did not know he was doing a crime (obstructing justice) and had no good reason to know. If that is true, then there was no criminal intent. However, the video shows him doing something which, unless he did not know it was a crime, and could not reasonably have known it was a crime, was a crime. It is my contention and, implicitly, that of the jury, that insufficient evidence was led by the defense at the trial to raise a reasonable doubt that Conrad did not have criminal intent. The jury's decisive reaction in convicting Black of obstruction, which you so disdain, is simply an indication that the defense badly failed in its attempts to raise reasonable doubt here.
Can you allow that, Lit?
While The Leader Post did not present all of Eddie G's speech, I would guess that Eddie didn't admit it either. (When he loses, like Connie he blames the other side and the "unfair" rules and "unfair" rulings of officials.)

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

Told you you can't ignore me, idiot. I notice you still haven't condemned the kind of people who make false reports to the police or try to deprive a family of sleep in the middle of the night. Double standards, eh!

Just say you condemn both of these actions unequivocally, and then you may begin to have some credibility with others on this blog. Not with me, of course.

And yes, I still think the idea of a pompous control freak like His Lardship having to worry about his back passage is funny and poetic justice.

Others find it funny too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4f2nR7Mp...

How about a deal? You withdraw your allegations that I am a paedophile and promise to stop making nuisance calls at night (it's a bit of a chore diverting them to the FBI anti-terrorism people every night) and I'll stop making jokes about Lord Bitch getting cornholed.

In fact, I may leave the blog altogether. There's less and less of interest now that His Lardship is out of circulation for the next five years plus.

And I have a couple of other interesting projects to pursue.

LOL

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 12:14 p.m.

Gory lets me rest my case:

"I believe in euthanizing those who are condemned biologically, for their own mercy."

Gory, it is obvious that you have never been a parent, and hopefully you never will be.

Presumably you would be the one to decide who is "condemned biologically".

The person about whom you made that judgement is a 33-year-old brilliant mathematician and gifted linguist, healthy, handsome and happily married. I would be the first to admit that his better genes were inherited from his mother, but he looks very like me and must have got some of mine as well.

Maybe the foetus Morticia had aborted would have turned out like that too. But now she has nobody, because she - like you - made a very arbitrary decision that had only selfishness as its foundation.

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 12:19 p.m.

How about a deal? You withdraw your allegations that I am a paedophile and promise to stop making nuisance calls at night - fickton

no deal, I havn't recieved a single nuisance call from you, I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to this phone business. furthermore I have never called you a paedophile, many other things, i wouldn't put it past you, but I have not called you that.

In regards to the remark about your son being drowned at birth, i will be the better person and admit that I was wrong in saying that, I could never advocate the death of an infant regardless of how nefarious their parent might be, however one thing was omitted from that exchange, you had made reference to your son saying I should 'top myself' in a previous post and I upped the anti, I will formally retract that statement, god only knows what your son is like however my problems here have been with you and not him and you could have been lying about what your son allegedly said.

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 12:22 p.m.

Maybe the foetus Morticia had aborted would have turned out like that too. But now she has nobody, because she - like you - made a very arbitrary decision that had only selfishness as its foundation. - Fickton

please expand, what is this arbitrary decision you are referring to that I made?

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 1:11 p.m.

Gory, I think I'm annoying Morticia big time - which is what I want to do. I don't believe a word of what you have written above. Sit on it!

GL2, you are wasting your time trying to convince the forever-in-thrall-to-Count-Blackula Lit regarding the crook's state of mind when he removed those boxes. It was just a matter of the pompous buffoon so used to giving orders to and manipulating people flying into a huff and saying "I won't be bested". That was when he went a hubristic bridge too far and walked into karma's trap.

I made the same arguments as you months ago, albeit not so elegantly.

Let's wait until His Lardship's appeal fails and see what Lit has to say then.

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 1:13 p.m.

"please expand, what is this arbitrary decision you are referring to that I made?"

If it has to be explained to you, you are incapable of grasping it.

Now play with yourself. I have a life and things to do. Back tomorrow maybe.

leaf April 23, 2008 at 1:22 p.m.

"which has still not removed a post in which your other aspect offers to teach others the black art of using telephones as an instrument of terrorism" - buttman

hehe, if that were all!
your phone # is still up there. HAHAHA

Fintan April 23, 2008 at 1:32 p.m.

Just one thing before I go out. Some reading for the criminal leaf, who will be caught eventually - just like His lardship was:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:1s4...

Note especially Chapter 1, Section 5 and especially Chapter 15, Sections 6 and 7.

ROFL @ the rag doll who was and is so helpless.

Pen1 April 23, 2008 at 4:54 p.m.

In fact, I may leave the blog altogether....
and I have a couple of other interesting projects to pursue. - Fickton

what do you mean by "other"? do you in all seriousnees consider your time here a "project"?
and you told me to get a life.

"please expand, what is this arbitrary decision you are referring to that I made?"

If it has to be explained to you, you are incapable of grasping it.

Now play with yourself. I have a life and things to do. Back tomorrow maybe. - fickton

why so vague? I can't read your mind sh1thead. What arbitrary decision are you referring to?

never mind, you've stated that:

In fact, I may leave the blog altogether- fickton

good riddance,

leaf April 23, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.

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Barbara_in_BC April 23, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.

I think Ms Amiel can find better ways to ease her tension than making prank calls to Finland.

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 1:42 a.m.

Barbara_in_BC April 23, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.

"I think Ms Amiel can find better ways to ease her tension than making prank calls to Finland."

LOL. Maybe her problem is that now she has to use her own money to buy the batteries for her gold-plated, diamond-encrusted dildo. She can't make a company pay for them like in the "good old days" when Hollinger even paid for her lingerie. LOL

We've already heard from His Lardship about what a jolly nice place Coleman is, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, nod, nod, but when is she going to let us know how much she's enjoying life with Jonas as her only male companion.

By the way, Barbara in BC, she's not making prank calls to FINLAND - they're going directly to a different number in the USA now.

No one in Canada seemed interested in dealing with the problem, but their southern neighbours have been surprisingly interested and active.

They cleaned up another Canadian mess as well when the put his Lardship where he has been for the past 52 days. I reckon it's 1,748 to go.

That's a lot of dildo batteries, Morticia!

LOL

Gerard April 24, 2008 at 8:24 a.m.

Lit_200: This is no longer silly, it's otherworldly:

"Because Conrad moved the boxes, justice was corrupted, in that authorities do not know what was in those boxes when they were actually moved..."

How many, many does it have to be pointed out that everything in Black's office had long ago been copied and forwarded to the DOJ? Why is it so difficult to understand that THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT OFFICE THAT THE US DOJ HAD NOT ALREADY SEEN?

Sorry for the caps but CRIPES, it's irritating to have to restate the obvious. Even David Copperfield couldn't pull off a trick like that.
_____

There is something known as best evidence rule. 1. The Court can request originals 2. Copies can be tampered with - Do you know if the copies of the DOJ were certifed as True Copies? 3. Although point 2 is doubtful in the case of the DOJ, copies can still be misfiled or lost.

De facto: The originals were not to be removed, (having being copied or seen is irrelevant). Black willfully disobeyed that order.

You are going around in circles Lit-200 in your ever boring self with this pitiful defense of that pompous prig, Mudchute.

What? You are a self-styled literary type and Black is your hero? He is a convicted felon who blew a legacy and caused the bankruptcy of a great company.

Hollinger is worth 10 cents a share. It was once worth sixty dollars per share before Black took over to feed his Ego.

If you admire Conrad Black so much - preserve his legacy: Put your retirement account into Hollinger shares at a dime! You are buying low! Conrad has given you, Lit-200, a marvelous opportunity! Go for it!

Otherwise, shut-up.

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.

Gerard, never read anything I agree with so completely.

Pity Lit can't understand something as simple as a court order. When it says "do not (verb)", you do not (verb), und damit basta!

It seems to run in the family, though. His Lardship's scofflaw son was likewise given the equivalent of a court order when his driving licence was suspended = he was told "do not drive", but he drove. I'm sure Lit will find something that explains that he sincerely felt he was entitled to drive because some or other circumstance existed in his sh1tforbrains mind and that therefore it was no crime, yadda, yadda, yadda. LOL

Isn't Black the Dodgem due in court on Monday next?

If he gets jail time, let's see who disappears from this blog for the duration.

ROFL

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 9:20 a.m.

There is something known as best evidence rule. 1. The Court can request originals 2. Copies can be tampered with - Do you know if the copies of the DOJ were certifed as True Copies? 3. Although point 2 is doubtful in the case of the DOJ, copies can still be misfiled or lost. - Gerard

Gerard there was no order from the USDJ prohibiting him from removing the boxes. This makes your remark below void of any substance, there was no order.

De facto: The originals were not to be removed, (having being copied or seen is irrelevant). Black willfully disobeyed that order.

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 9:21 a.m.

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.

Gerard, never read anything I agree with so completely.

talking to yourself again eh?

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

Cory_Privatera April 24, 2008 at 9:21 a.m.

"Fintan April 24, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.

Gerard, never read anything I agree with so completely.

talking to yourself again eh?"

LOL

Everyone who writes intelligently, rationally and demolishes the absurd arguments of His Lardship's miniscule band of supporters has to be me?

Thanks for the compliment, Gory.

When Gerard cracks a joke about His Lardship dropping the soap, you'll really be certain we are one and the same.

ROFL

leaf April 24, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

hey buttman, i know you like counting... how many times have i posted your phone number so far on the blog?
how many days in the hoosegow shall i expect for that?

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 11:59 a.m.

Everyone who writes intelligently, rationally...has to be me? - fintan

is this an example of what you are referring to when you say intelligently and rationally?

LOL. Maybe her problem is that now she has to use her own money to buy the batteries for her gold-plated, diamond-encrusted dildo. - fintan

or this?

And, who knows, he may find that Bubba is actually an improvement on Morticia in the nookie department. - fintan

or...

Time for an early hitting of the sack and sweet dreams about a lot of pointless losers - rather like His Lardship. Hee-hee-hee - fintan

and on...

If you do get through, leaf, say hi to Bubba for me - fintan

or

Read back through my posts, I've made it clear that whatever gets y'off is OK with me. - Fintan

leaf April 24, 2008 at noon

hey CASEY, check this out: another ISP!!!

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 12:15 p.m.

Oh, thank you Gory, for posting some of my best bits. Do me a favour and read back through the past 11 months' worth of stuff and post a few more choice bits. Let's really wind up Morticia. Try to find the exact wording of that post I made about her having had so many face lifts she'll soon have a beard and a dimple. I can't remember the exact words off my head, and I'm rather busy at the moment.

Then there was one I wrote about the Long Pen and how the idea could be adapted to relieve some of the sexual frustration they must both be feeling.

LOL

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 12:33 p.m.

Oh, thank you Gory, for posting some of my best bits. Do me a favour and read back through the past 11 months' worth of stuff and post a few more choice bits
- fintan

no thanks, why don't you compile the posts yourself, take them to a publisher and have a book distributed. I mean if someone like Conrad Black could get published 5 times, than certainly someone of your caliber could be a bestseller, you are wasting your talents here, I'm one of the few people that read what you type and I think you are disgusting but the world at large is a different story, certainly the public would have just as an inflated view of your talents as you yourself do.

this paragraph could be the perfect introduction:

Then there was one I wrote about the Long Pen and how the idea could be adapted to relieve some of the sexual frustration they must both be feeling. - fintan

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.

Since Lit seems to know everything about everything, here's a practical question:

Now that the euro is worth US$1.61, would it be a good idea for me to go out and buy 5 or 10k euro worth of greenbacks now (my wife and I will be in Argentina - which is in the dollar zone - next November/December) or should I wait until the autumn and get them cheaper?

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 12:43 p.m.

Now that the euro is worth US$1.61, would it be a good idea for me to go out and buy 5 or 10k euro worth of greenbacks now (my wife and I will be in Argentina - which is in the dollar zone - next November/December) or should I wait until the autumn and get them cheaper? - fintan

I've got a tip for you if you want to make some really fast money: convert every Euro you have for maximum gain, into Zimbabwe dollars, hurry fintan before you miss the opportunity, Zim dollars are in as high demand as rice these days.

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

Gory, why don't you do the chore I asked you to? Find some of my juiciest comments about Morticia to entertain those who have only recently joined the blog. Otherwise I'll have to think up some new ways of ridiculing the hag. It's easy, but I'm really very busy for the next few days.

And what's with rice? All that alarmist bumpf is BS. Look, at how cheap food is in a store just down the street from me.

http://www.lidl.fi/fi/home.nsf/pages/c.o...

Now go and pat the dog and be firm with him if he gets the "lipstick out".

ROFLMAO

Pen1 April 24, 2008 at 1:10 p.m.

Gory, why don't you do the chore I asked you to? - fintan

why? one word, booooooooooooring

Fintan April 24, 2008 at 2:07 p.m.

G,nite, Gory. It's so hard to get good help these days. Sigh!!!

Lit_200 April 24, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.

Gerard being Fintan, of course, agrees with himself when he makes totally erroneous statements regarding legal matters which, it appears, are far above his, um... their... ability to comprehend. Ah, "the power of one."

A little advice: keep on saying I am a crashing bore, a task you have honed with repetitiveness to an admirable excellence... but don't venture into legal waters that are a bit deep for you. Wouldn't want either of you to drown in your own ignorance.

Good lad(s).

Fintan April 25, 2008 at 12:49 a.m.

How funny to wake up and read the crashing bore Lit's drivel. This is the person who was proclaiming many months ago that His Lardship would not be convicted, then insisted he would never spend a day in prison, later was certain His Lardship's bail would be extended ...

How wrong can you get?

Now, of course, Lit, whose naive belief in the goodness of one of the most evil persons that Canada has produced is in a way rather touching, has no doubt that the obstruction of justice conviction will be reversed, His Lardship will be released, leaving poor Bubba broken-hearted, will regain his empire and ...

And Morticia will turn young and beautiful - outshining even nubile Tamil maidens with neem flowers in their glistening black hair ...

The sky will be dark with pigs flying past.

Better not look up, Lit, or your face will be covered in what His Lardship is and will remain in.

Karma be praised.

ROFL

Fintan April 25, 2008 at 1:03 a.m.

Looks like even more trouble for the bully.

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/04/24...

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/conrad.blac...
I wish the cameraman the best of luck.

The lady Morticia called a slut should also sue her.

For all their airs and graces, His Lardship and especially Morticia are essentially grubby little gutter denizens. The veneer of erudition is micron-thin and they lash out verbally or physically at little provocation, real or imagined.

I wonder will His lardship be able to keep full control of his bullying nature for the next 1,747 days. Or will he lose it just for a fraction of a second and push someone in the hoosegow?

Oh, boy, what wouldn't I give to see that?

LOL

leaf April 25, 2008 at 1:59 a.m.

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Fintan April 25, 2008 at 2:43 a.m.

What an irony that someone who made millions from media should be accused of assaulting a media person - and inside a courthouse at that!

He won't be able to claim that the cameraman was intruding on private property; he was allowed to be in the courthouse and would have been removed by the bailiffs if that were not the case.

Morticia's outburst in the lift when she snarled "vermin" and "slut" at media representatives won't prove helpful, either.

I hope the cameraman wins his 100 grand and can't figure out why he didn't ask for millions.

leaf April 25, 2008 at 6:03 a.m.

atta boy, buttman.
atta boy...

January April 25, 2008 at 10:28 a.m.

Fintan

"I hope the cameraman wins his 100 grand and can't figure out why he didn't ask for millions."

The guy probably just wants enough money to pay his medical bills.

Fintan April 25, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

Yes, January, it just seem odd to me that anyone in the USA sues for anything less than a sum in the multi-millions any more. Remember the judge who sued for tens of millions because a dry cleaner lost his pants?

The fact that the cameraman isn't looking for some astronomical figure indicates to me that he really is just seeking to recoup what he has already spent on medical expenses and is likely to have to spend before he is fully recovered.

I know cameramen face danger every day - but in places like Iraq or Darfur, not a courthouse in the USA. That poor fellow never thought he'd be brutally assaulted like that by a thuggish "British Lord".

You can take the man out of the gutter, but it's harder to get the gutter out of the man ..."

LOL

leaf April 25, 2008 at 10:55 a.m.

fickton is apparently taking the high road down in the blog by pretending to ignore me yet he sent me 5 emails from the time he got up this morning.
emails topic?
why his favorite subjects of course: incest & anal rape.

yup, the buttman sure knows about class!

Pen1 April 25, 2008 at 11:46 a.m.

The guy probably just wants enough money to pay his medical bills. Jan

if this claim was legit, we would have heard about it the day that it allegedly happened.

However it's touching January that you are so concerned with the poor photographers well being, we all know that paparazo's are an upstanding group that collectively carry the utmost integrity and dedication to nobility, as I said your concern for the mans well being is heart warming. From watching the television coverage of the trial it is apparent that Conrad Black was always running into the faces of the photogs and certainly not the other way around, how evil could a man be, first removing boxes from his office upon eviction than this brutal violence in front of the courthouse, it;s a miracle for black that with the hundreds of cameras that were at the scene not one caught this incident in their lense, what are the odds of that??

Fintan April 25, 2008 at 12:09 p.m.

Gory has a big problem with anyone claiming anything from the Blacks. Check back through earlier posts to see the racist and slanderous comments he made about the restaurant-owner who suffered neck injuries when Jonathan Black, His Lardship's scofflaw son, rammed into the back of his car at traffic lights in Toronto last month.

We all know how easily people suffer whiplash injuries in cases like that, and indeed can even be killed. And Black was driving without a licence - and quite possibly under the influence of drink or drugs.

Yet Gory claimed in that post that the victim, apparently of South Asian origin, was faking it just to get a big compensation sum and was just another member of the locust-like hordes that are flooding Canada and living like parasites off the decent people there. I paraphrase, but that'd the gist of Gory's racist, xenophobic diatribe.Naturally, his own family have been in Canada since the first humans arrived there at least 15,000 years ago. LOL at this paskanjauhaja.

Let's see how the lesser of the two Black thugs fares on Monday.

Both Gory and Lit have a big problem recognising what is plain to any fool: that His Lardship is in essence a thug. And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

leaf April 25, 2008 at 12:56 p.m.

not surprisingly, little rotten apple fickton fell in a pile of sheet 67 years ago.
it should not be a surprise that he has developed a taste for butt fornicating.

Pen1 April 25, 2008 at 1:02 p.m.

HAHAHA

fickton, always looking out for the little guy when he can momentarily get sodomy and incest from dominating his mind. Like I said about the guy allegedly hit by Black's son:
it's wonderful he wasn't still back in Sri Lanka, his donkey may have been killed.

Fintan April 25, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.

"...about the guy allegedly hit by Black's son..."

Allegedly? Why did the coward turn himself in to the police two days later, then?

Answer: because he knew an alert witness had gotten his registration number (it was reported in the press), he had no one he could say was driving the car, and whatever might have been in his bloodstream had worn off.

And even if the victim - by all accounts a hard-working restaurant owner who is contributing substantially to the Canadian economy - had been driving a donkey cart, in Sri Lanka or anywhere else, there is no justification for a person who has been told by the authorities not to drive disobeying that court order and endangering life. Or does Gory think he should have just shrugged it off and considered himself honoured to have been rear-ended by a genuine sahib and model citizen, the son of another model citizen who just happens to have been victimised by a jealous American justice system? Splitting my sides!

Like father like son. Criminals, and both too cowardly to address their shortcomings and try to better themselves.

Since he's emulating his old man in his criminal career, I wonder is B jr "comforting" Morticia in her hour of need. They say she has certain appetites that are nowadays going unfed since His Lardship took up residence in