Toronto Co-op Housing Member March 28, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.

Councillor Rob Ford has his own life just like anyone else in this world as every family has it's problems or issues to deal with, not one family in this world is prefect. People need to stop being such hypocrites, stop been shocked that other people's family has issues. Why is it when it is someone who is in a job postion that is for the city or government their lives get spread all over the media. How fair is that? How would you feel? Some of these people who sit on their high horses pasting comments and making inapproiate statments about others when they themselves are proably guity at sometime in their lifetime of the same thing shouldn't be pasting judgement on others. Those without sin let them be the first to cast a stone....Yeah thats right not one person can cast that stone because not one person is without sin. People have arguements, people have disputes, and familes have both, but it doesn't make anyone worse of a person or better. Why are people only focusing on negative things when it comes to people, why don't they focus on the positive. For instances, did you know that this Councillor actually stands up for those who need subsidized housing, did you know he stood up and spoke out in the house commons suggesting why the government dosen't just have rent supplements to help people who need affordable housing, then their be no one without housing because they could just move into available empty apartments that are all across the city. But no everyone prefers to see people and families out on the streets homeless as they wait for their housing, a list that is almost 10 years long as some people of a family of 4 or more are stuck living in hotel rooms or in hostels. How humane is that. But yet the Councillor has a family issue eveyone jumps on the band wagon and instantly judges without getting the full facts.
As for the Councillor and his family, I hope they can work through it and resolve their issues. As I would wish for any family.

Mark Dowling March 28, 2008 at 8:18 p.m.

Wow - Mammoliti defending Ford (on the YouTube). Is this a first?

JM March 29, 2008 at 5 p.m.

Toronto Co-op Housing Member

...subsidized housing...
...rent supplements...
...affordable housing...
...homeless as they wait for their housing...
...stuck living in hotel rooms or in hostels...

And if Rob Ford didn't stick up for you and all your housing issues, subsidies, supplements etc. etc. how would you feel then?

co-op member March 30, 2008 at 4:20 a.m.

Re: JM
How would you feel if you had a personal family issue aired out on the news? I think it's wrong. No one elses family personal issues in society are air out on news. How many families call 911 in an arguement or disagreement are the news reporters there? NEVER so why should other people who are in govenerment jobs get air out on news. No one thinks about the embarassment it going to cause for the children or even for the family. Come on grow up JM! your petty to worry over words instead of the real damage that is being caused be the media. media sits around when real news should be reported instead of this childish nonsense. I am sure you yourself are guilty of using inapproiate forms of words towards others everyone has and yes people learn from it but doesnt mean you drag them threw the mud when something happens to them because then it just goes to show your worse then that person for doing it.

toronto co-op member March 30, 2008 at 4:29 a.m.

JM as for the housing issues show me one other Concillor willing to step up and defend the low income families who struggle to srvive some people working two jobs just barely getting by to pay rent and feed their children. All the other Concillors are chickens because they dont wanna lose their fat pay checks that they suck out our hard earned pockets leaving us in proverty. I was simply pointing out The housing issues are more important and should be news not some dirty laundry about anyone's family arguments. Obviously you have no sense of humanity or any moral ethics because if you had you wouldnt of made your statement.You response was totally not relvant to what i was saying. At least this Concillor had the balls to stand up for the people in Toronto unlike the rest of the house of commons who talk lies fake promises.

Gossip March 30, 2008 at 4:45 a.m.

Why is everyone so fascinated over what happen geezzzz you people really have no lives at all. If thats all you do is sit around waiting for some gossip on a government servant to be aired. Thats real sad you need a life. so what the guy had a agrument with his wife big deal who doesn't. It's called marriage. The wife wasn't the one who called 911 first the Concillor did the night before because his wife was having a breackdown. Why do you think the police asked he to take the children out the house with him. He only went back the next day to get stuff for the children and his wife was still freaking out and she called 911. So think about it next time yous open your mouths get the facts first before coming to any conclusions of passing judgements on anyone! AS for that JM dude how would you feel if you were homeless down and out or had low income and family to support and no one stood up for you. Think about that........Until you walked in the truth of that persons shoes you should open your mouth. So what the Concillor made some silly statements........Oooooooooooo like those statements hurt anyone for real was their lives destoryed were they hanging by a thread for survival. Half the people who sit around crying about this he said she said crap Ooooooooo it hurt my feelings nonsense Get a life!
Words dont hurt anyone their just words nothing more. You didnt die because someone told you off or made a racisism comment or made a rude remark. Its people like that who cry wolf over nonsense who causes the problems from preventing people who are in real danger from being attended to. No one was blown up no one was shot soooooooo what he said stuff years ago or yesterday get over it already.

kimmy March 30, 2008 at 1:26 p.m.

Nice take gossip, but I ain't buying it! It appears like you think that it's normal to call the cops when you are experiencing problems in your marriage. Normal people don't. We will have to wait for the trial if there is one. The facts will be presented in court. Ford puts himself out there for public consumption due to the fact that he is a local council member. He also has acted inappropriately before but all appears to go directly under the rug......this time he has to answer to the courts. I for one can't wait to hear the facts as they come out. The entire mess reeks of spousal abuse to me and we all know how many men get away with that crime.

DR March 30, 2008 at 7:09 p.m.

Project much, Preville?

kimmy March 30, 2008 at 11:06 p.m.

It's called an interim child custody order.....you get that and the kids go with you, charged with domestic violence is not convicted of that crime, and he was bailed out into the community pending trial right? Just the facts Dano.

Gossip March 31, 2008 at 10:47 p.m.

To Kimmy
So your saying if your having a heated arguement with your partner you wouldn't call the police? Even if you felt that the situation was becoming out of control especially with your partner. Where are your moral ethics? Common sense for anyone who is in that situation when your partner is acting out of normal character and you feel the situation isn't gonna settle down on it's own is to call the police for assistances to defuse the situation before it goes to far and before something unfortunate happens. So yes I do believe the normal thing to do is call police when things get out of control with your partner and yes it is normal part of life. Yes Normal people do call the police. It's only the ones who have stuff to hide that don't such as crimminals. I lived all over Toronto for over 30 years and I have only dealt with normal people with normal marriages or normal relationships and yes at some point in that relationship someone has felt the arguement was out control and called the police. So please enlighten me as to how you figure normal people don't call police?
As it sounds from what you said also you have something against this concillor or is it because he is a male and he actually called 911 first? Or do you feel its not possible for a woman to act with bad behaviour? Because when women go through the change of life they can harm others then can act physco then can go on crazy like a mental break down. Or depression some women lose it. So for you to assume he is only one at fault is wrong because it funny that she didnt want anyone to know what she did. If she was sooooo inocent then she would of made a statment as to what really happened and not of hidden herself.That just shows me she was guilty of wrongful behaviour too. It takes two people to argue not one. They both acted inapproiately and ask it was just being pointed out why is everyone so obbessed with these peoples lives. If your next door neighbour who is just a normal avewrage run of the mill working stiff had the same situation would it been on display on tv would you be so obbessed then about whats going on. Everyone is so quick to past judgements on others but yet you proably yourself acted inaproiate in public at some point in your life everyone has. Everyone has made rude comments everyone has said something about another person that wasnt very nice and so forth. I don't approve of people arguing but it does happen everyone will disagree theres no way around that because everyone has their own mind, but its also an adults responsiblity to defuse to situation when its getting out of control so if that happens its just best to call police especially if you can get the person to act rational.

Gossip March 31, 2008 at 11:52 p.m.

To Kimmy
I don't approve of spousal abuse either. If he is guilty of that them shame on him and he gets what the courts decide. But women are also capable of the same act. I once saw a woman pounding the crap out of her husband I was in total shock i couldn't believe my eyes because you only hear about men being the abusers. But we weren't there we didn't see what went on and how it go to that point where it was felt that thepolice were needed to be called to defuse the drama. I merely am saying theres not one married couple out there who hasn't had a heated arguement. especially after 10 years people do tend to either get on one another's nerves and it can be a day when that just happen to be the day they were in a bad mood and couldn't deal with holding back and just came out blasting their mouth in anger.

Joe Renda April 1, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

Dear Adam,

This is to point out to you and the majority of City Councillors that voted to consider the Word Oriental as being RACIST and Offensive to review your websites and the city 's Official Website. The following is taken from The City's Official Website.

Chinatown BIA

Councillor: Adam Vaughan, Ward 20

Chinatown is a vibrant neighbourhood in the centre of Toronto's downtown. Home to ethnic Chinese immigrants from Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, Vietnam and elsewhere, the intersection of Dundas and Spadina is the focal point of this dynamic community.

Chinatown offers a wealth of oriental shops and a vast selection of authentic Chinese restaurants featuring such delicacies as dim sum. The sidewalks of Chinatown, in particular on weekends, are crammed with fruit stalls, vendors, and thousands of people from all backgrounds eager to shop, eat, and socialize.

The large number of restaurants serving fabulous Chinese food is a big attraction to visitors. One would not find the "North American Chinese" menu here, instead, chefs in the area serve up a variety of truly authentic cuisines from all parts of China, including Cantonese, Szechwan, Hunan, and northern China. Fresh ingredients are purchased from the stalls lining the streets and one can wander pass dozens of shop windows lined with barbecued pork, duck, steamed buns, and other exotic fare.

Visitors to Chinatown will also find a diverse range of shops offering baked goods, herbal medicines, books, videos, household items, and Chinese arts and crafts.

Street signs in the area are written in both English and Chinese, and there are two large shopping malls that cater to the ethnic Chinese - the Dragon City and the Chinatown Centre complex - both are near Dundas and Spadina streets and both offer great variety of shops and restaurants.

Come to Chinatown and join the local Chinese in experiencing this wonderful piece of Hong Kong, China in downtown Toronto.

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Click on image below for a larger view

Dear Adam:

According to the vote this morning the city must apoligize to all Asians for describing them as Oriental in Official Documents.

I request that the Speaker apoligize on behalf of the city for using RACIST LANGUAGE IN ITS OFFICIAL WEBSITE AND LITERATURE.

This has done more damage than the Head Tax. Apoligize like the Federal Government

Regards
Joe Renda
Former City Councillor Candidate

kimmy April 2, 2008 at 4:33 p.m.

I still believe that normal people don't call the police when they are engaged in a heated argument unless of course these people are not normal and out of control<<<<this is not the norm! You crack me up with you "woman beats husband story" what a piece of bull. Did you call the police when you witnessed this? Yeah I bet you did.
I don't even know Ford but I do know that most families in crisis call friends or family and not the police. This story just reeks of proactive police calling by a guy who has some pretty wacked out ideas about the world and people living in it........where on earth does he come up with "they sleep by their machines"? One word comes to mind.....wack job!

Gossip April 3, 2008 at 2:01 p.m.

To Kimmy
I hope for your sake that no one is harming you and what you call a so called normal person doesn't witness it. Meaning doe not call the Police to save your live. As for families in crisis you really live in an imanginary world, You the wack job about talking to friends and family who can do what ? Nothing but just make things worst or turn the sistuation into a violent one. Partners who abuse their partners if you had any knowledge or sense would know that talking to a family member or a friend would make things worse even set the person off further.

Gossip April 3, 2008 at 2:16 p.m.

Like I said Until you walked that path in life keep your mouth shut because you don't know anything about being in an abusive situation. Yes people who are mentally stable (Normal) do call the Police to prevent the sitaution from becoming out of control which everyone in this world is capable of. Everyone can and will lose control of their temper if pushed some take longer than others but it does eventually happen. For those who have the courage to call Police to save the arguement from reaching that out of control point shows that person or persons has NORMAL common sense, which is something you obviously lack in morals ethics or in family values. Only those who have something to hide are afraid of the Police and afraid to call them. If you had and knowledge you would know once the Police are called into a family dispute that marriage concilling is offered to help the family. But like you know anything about that? Maybe you one perosn who is lucky enough to have found the prefect relationship with not problems no stresses in life. Thats why you sound like you are truly blind to the realities of life. Sitting on this high pedal stall seeing this fairy tale world of everyone prefectly happy and no one argues and no one thinks to disagree or gets upset over what the next person has said to them. Seriously go dseek help at your closest hosptial because I am sure once they evaluate you their would write down your mentally insane.

kimmy April 4, 2008 at 9:42 a.m.

Let me break it down for you shall I.
The topic is Ford and his actions. The circumstances are unusual in that he is a public figure and therefore by virtue of office he has supporters and non-supporters and a big "fat" reason to behave himself and promote the idea that solutions to problems are best handled early. It appears that something is not quite right in his personal life. Let me digress a wee bit for you....the police do not have a great history in dealing with domestic violence or marriage therapy or handling the mentally ill in crisis. I for one think calling the police in cases that should be handled more rationally as in the case of Ford's should not be choice number one, but of course for cases that involve serious abuse secure a charge laid! I don't don't think serious abuse is alluded to in Ford's particular case but his calling the police the day prior to the day of the alleged offense reeks of control issues which is most definitely a precursor to abusive behaviour. The courts will let us know I am suggesting at this stage.

Gossip April 6, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.

Point is proven you really are obbessed with this man and what goes on in his life. So, your saying it is prefectly fine for the tv media to run around and make that issue about what goes on in that man's life more important then as if it had went on in anyone else's life, even if you yourself were in that situation did the tv media go out its way to advertise you. The whole point entirely was "WHO CARES". I for one did not care to hear about that family's laundry issues for they should not have been advertised since the tv media is not willing to do the same for any other family out there in society. If the Tv media is not willing to do the same for anyone else's life since there are real serious offenders of abuse who have commited far worst abuse crimes and the society should have been warned of them, which tv media never does so these abusers can continue to move on to their next unexpecting victim, then the tv media out there shouldn't do it at all, they either should report on anyone and everyone who comits abuse or not at all. There are sooooooooooo many women and children who are left as targets out there because the Tv media didn't think it was important to save them for other abusers repeat offendsives, which if the Tv media had most those people would had a life prevented from harm from an abuser. That was really the entire point. Just because that man was a concillor he gets more privillage to be reported on tv then other people who are far more dangerous to our society. That is what you are defending. You been defending the ideas that this man life bussiness is more important for you to nose into then as if any other family in society. Just because this man is has a concillior's job he is no more important then anyone else in society who is a bussiness woman, a judge, a policer officer, a social worker, a nurse, a doctor, a bus driver, a homemaker, a cashier, a manager or anyone else who's job title is not a concillor. Tv Media should be reporting on real news and that really wasn't news but self promotion and gossip.

kimmy April 7, 2008 at 10:33 p.m.

Assaulting your wife and/or getting away with it or minimizing it is real news and should be out there with gusto, it's a big problem in every culture almost. Your perfect little utopia does not exist and the public does want to know what public figures are up to in their lives, especially if it involves "shady behaviour", I mean we vote these people into office!
You make some pretty sweeping statements there gossip. I think domestic violence should be reported publicly more for all types of people.....maybe the abuser type would finally get it, that assaulting people is not tolerated no matter who you are!
BTW I think Ford is a goof. I am entitled to my opinion too!

Gossip April 7, 2008 at 11:35 p.m.

To Kimmy

Ohhhhhhhhh.. How ironic, you now change your opinion. Let's refresh shall we. Wasn't it you who claim that it wasn't normal for people or for normal people to call the police when being abused. Wasn't it you that said normal people go and talk to their family or friends they don't call the police. Geeeeeeeez your really a hippocrate!
One more thing I'd certainly like to point out as well, Like you just said "I am entitled to my opinion too" Just remember that so is everyone else. You started it by trying to knock my opinions and or beliefs. So what you can't take the heat when someone points out the obvious then get out the kitchen! My beliefs are Normal people call police when its a situation that doesn't seem to want to resolve itself and it getting out of control. An out of control person, which you with your opinion believes that people only call the police when out of control which makes no sense because that usually is too late someone could be dead at that point or severy beaten. A person that is out of control usually don't have the common sense at that time to stop and and say hey maybe now that I beaten the crap out the person I should call the police, or does the victim have the opportunity to get to the phone to call the police once the crap been beaten out of them. So if the truth hurts there deary suck it up and grow up you started and I will finish it! Don't knock others beliefs!

kimmy April 8, 2008 at 5:45 p.m.

That was not my claim, i said normal people don't call police because normal people usually don't deal with their problems through violence but instead get a grip way before problems escalate to that point!!

It appears like you think that it's normal to call the cops when you are experiencing problems in your marriage. Normal people don't.<<that is what I typed....I said nothing about violence, I was stating that we deal with our problems and don't rely on the police to solve them for us.....nothing about domestic violence at all, in Fords case, why did he phone the police? We don't know yet do we but it ain't normal!

Gossip April 10, 2008 at 10:45 p.m.

Once again you have proven my point your a hipprocrate!
Do you even hear yourself? Are you for real? Once again you speaking on a matter you clearly have nooooooooo clue to what goes on in real life. You proably on those who walk blindly through life ignoring the truth. Everday the police are called over a doemestic dispute! Key words Dispute which means disagreement that can't not clearly be resolved on it's own. Furthermore how do you know that 80% of these people didn't turn to a family or friend and still things didn't improve and how do you know that these people just didn't have enough and needed help from someone of a higher power to enforce the dispute to be finally over. You talk as if your someone whos never lived in the real world. Proably so you proably a rich silver spoon feed fairy tale individual who has never lived in the real world. Come to the east end Hood and say such nonsense, I can say without a doubt they say what you on drugs? Because anyone and everyone who lives real live in a family situations has wittnessed or experienced first hand doemestic disputes and yes many had to call the police because one person couldn't be adult enough to just walk away and leave the premises. You make life sound so rosy, when in fact it's not. Doesn't mean that they were physical it just means that one person wouldn't shut their mouth. When a person doesn't want to stop shooting their mouth off, It will always piss the other off. So you saying you can stand their while your partner is yelling at you or saying hurtingful things to you without you saying anything back...hahahaha Yeah right I doubt that no human can it's in our nature to defend ourselves. It's a stand off situation both adults paying the bills and feels that they shouldn't be the one to leave... so yes the police are usually called. Like I said you must really be out there in imagination land. Also Like I pointed out earlier Your still trying to knock my opinion. Nice try I believe the police are called when someone refuses to leave the dispute! I had to do it! So like I said you don't know squat! I had a big mouth partner who just wouldn't stop verbally abusing me it started as an agrument but then got worst and when I asked the person to leave that person refused to this was even after I had tried everything to ignore him. Then he made it clear that he wasn't leaving and the only way is if the police remove him. I wasn't about to leave home with my children in that situation alone with a person that ignorant. I had no choice but to call the police. So once again you shouldn't speak if you, yourself have never been in that situation. Even arguing can be abusive and hours of it can be just as damaging as a physical assault.

Gossip April 10, 2008 at 10:56 p.m.

Kimmy
One more thing you said "i said normal people don't call police because normal people usually don't deal with their problems through violence but instead get a grip way before problems escalate to that point!!"

No one said anything about normal people only calling the police over violence.

My situation is case proven enough to be said, and it wasn't a violent situation either but it was extremely bad verbally to where anyone would not be able to tolerate it and I did what was best for my family. There is only so long in a marriage that you try to make things work and when all fails. Time to just say enough is enough especially when children are involved they don't need to see that crap nor hear it. I was the only one adult enough in that sitaution and as for the other person he was 10years older then me. So point is he should know better but even age doesn't make a person more of an adult. You assumed I was purely taking on a violent situation, and in reality that's not always the case sometimes you get a ignorant person who just keeps on going even after you stop engaging in the dispute and its when that person just refuses to stop yes I belive anyone has that right to get that person out the house even if it means calling the police to remove them.

Gossip April 10, 2008 at 11:10 p.m.

Kimmy

As for Rob Ford's case yes it is curiousty to wonder as to why he called the police night before. But also we can't just assume that maybe the wife wasn't doing something wrong either. Becasue why she being so closed mouthed? Usually a woman who has been in a situation whether it be verbal or physical they don't hide the truth. Or for all we know this could been just a self promotion for attention. In order to make one self recongized in the medias eye. Like that childhood actor comes to mind Danny who's only way to get media attention was to pull family disputes where police were called and distastful behaviour.
But as of yet nothing's been said....why?
Well I am sure you will inform us all on the end result of Rob Ford's case.

kimmy April 11, 2008 at 10:30 p.m.

wrong! Ford is a public figure and I am sure the Toronto Papers and perhaps this blog will inform us all about the court matter between Ford and his wife. I certainly don't have the time to attend his trial so I will wait like everyone else for the news.