jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.

This is a wake-up call no?

Astrid January 9, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.

The big losers in New Hampshire are the pundits that forcasted a 13% surge for Osama over tearful Hillary.
Well they were all wrong. Why?

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 10:33 a.m.

Sounds like a "go back to sleep until March" call to me.

The OSC might be feeling a bit of judicial heat itself, for the role it played in assisting the SEC.

The SEC acted like a schoolyard bully, extorting money and an admission of guilt from their too-too-acquiescent victim.

Radler saw the guns lined up against him and decided he couldn't fight city hall. He rolled over like a whale for the SEC and for Fitz and his henchmen - telling them exactly what they wanted to hear - to get off lightly.

The ABB laud Radler as a fine man who made a mistake, saw the error of his ways, admitted guilt and then paid back the money he had taken. The fact is there was nothing voluntary about any of it. He was assessed $23.7 and a $5 mil penalty and he HAD to pay it as part of his Faustian deal with the devil.

Ironically, he was so badly discredited at trial that the USDJ said they hadn't needed Radler's testimony to convict Black at all - which was an outright lie.

Sussman: Don't you trust me?
Fitzgerald: Absolutely.
Sussman: Me neither.

Sophia January 9, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.

Sarko gave Carla a $10,000 dollar diamond ring for Christmas. Carla gave Sarko a swiss watch worth twice
as much. It is great to marry into money, Carla has lots
of talent and cash.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 10:37 a.m.

Astrid: was that reference to Osama some sort of Freudian slip?

jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

In the end Lit the jury disagrees with you and stated in fact that they thought Radlar was somehow holding back, trying to protect CB. How ironic. The jury members I listened to claimed also that Radlar's testimony was not compelling but in context I think it helped.

jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 10:42 a.m.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 10:37 a.m.

Astrid: was that reference to Osama some sort of Freudian slip?

No Lit, it's some sort of dirty politics is what that is.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 10:49 a.m.

lit 200 said:

"The ABB laud Radler as a fine man who made a mistake, etc."

A fine man? After all that wheeling and dealing with Black? He is simply a human being who repented.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.

Gullible me, Jade_lee.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 10:54 a.m.

BBC your very trenchant, insightful remarks are always a revelation and a source of .. of .. of something, to me.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 11:02 a.m.

The burden of my comment, BBC, was that Radler did not repent... he caved ...

I must stop. Forget it... let's drop it. Your argument devastates me and leaves me speechless.

Nortown January 9, 2008 at 11:10 a.m.

In the German film The Lives of Others there is an interesting insight into Black's claim of innocence.
The film starts in 1984.A Stasi interrogator is instructing a class.He tells them that over a 40 hour interrogation there are "indicators" as to who is telling the truth. An innocent man gets more agitated by the hour.He will shout and scream and reformulate his story. The liar will remain calm, serene and stick to the same story over and over. Why? Because he is reading from a script.
If you remember,over and over again the media commented on Black's Olympian calmness and confidence.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 11:22 a.m.

That's an interesting observation. However, I think it might be said that people facing a firing squad become increasingly nervous as the time arrives, guilty and innocent alike.

I remember a passage from Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, when he wrote about those who face death with the most dignity. They were the priests... and it may have been because of their conviction.

We get Confessions January 9, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

in the book 'we get confessions', a manual for police interogators it says a variation of what Nortown referred to, it says a guilty person will remain calm and try to revise their story as the interogation goes on and will pause and think before answering questions, where an innocent person will stick to the same story yet get belligerant and agitated. It seems that Black did get rather haughty in the early days of this saga when the directors probed him re. the non competes, further I think this is all null and void because Black was never submitted to subsequent interogations.

Kelly January 9, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.

Barb:
>>It's only recently that white collar criminals have been jailed, even in the States. In the 50's it would have been unthinkable, business owners were God in those days. They provided employment! They kept investors happy by increasing their dividends!<<

Interesting comment about the 50s. Investor demographics have changed significantly since then (particularly in the last 10-15 years). If by recently you mean since Skilling, Kozlowski et al., that’s inaccurate. The US has had high profile convictions going back at least to the 80s – Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Charles Keating are some examples.

Canada on the other hand has an abysmal record of legislating and enforcing the capital markets. Some Canadians get huffy when that’s said, but they would be better served directing their outrage at the sluggish legislators.

Leslie January 9, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

The OSC adjurnment is a disgrace, but not unexpected. From my dealings with the three branches of the Canadian Government [executive, legislative, judiciary] I have found that the most backward, unresponsive,archaic, and need for reform is the judiciary. here I'm lumping the OSC in the judiciary.

Brigitte January 9, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.

Beware of spending beyond your means. As lord black stated "keep your powder dry" his father told him.
We have seen the lord's downfall caused by need to
live-up to the demands of his second wife. I'm affraid history will repeat itself with Sarko. Le Parisien
reports that he has spent on Carla in November $150,000
dollars or EU80,000 euros in at least two diamond rings
and other gifts. Sarko to please his new wife to be
has accepted the use of jet airplanes for travel from
Mr billionaire. Sarko has charged to the french tax-payer
hotels and tourisim expenses of private nature. Clearly, Sarko has to give alimony to two previous wives and a
bunch of children. His presidential wages are of limited
amount. Sarko did land a "trophy wife". Carla the heires to CEAT of Turin and India and other places and is used to amazing lavish life-style. Politics and sex are odd fellows.
Sarko is trying to impress the heires, living beyond his means. One kind blogger here should warn him of the danger he is facing. When Lucrecia Borgia [Carla's maternal ancestor] was forced to marry the Duke of D'Este she moved to Turin. With the advent of the industrial revolution Carla's ancestors branched our into
industrial machinary, eletrical stuff and Pyrelli tyres under the CEAT umbrella. As the multinational craze developed they expanded to India and 30 other countries. Carla is not going to settle for crums of a minuscule presidential wage. Sarko and old man, must on an hourly basis satisfy the "trophy wife" Carla. sarko is crazed with love and passion. In love and war there are no rules.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 1:43 p.m.

jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 10:26 a.m.

TV logic indeed.

"Objectivity is paramount when a jury views evidence presented in the form of video."

Meaning what? The jury should be objective? I don't get what you are driving at.

Jade says, "[the tape] depicted a back door scene with CB and his driver removing boxes... We see CB noticing a camera and looking into the camera. This activity occurs after hours [it was about 5 pm, not the dark of night!] when few are in the building [there WERE people in the building!]"

Black admits to taking the boxes. his demeanor in the act of taking the boxes is nugatory! Can't you see that?

Jade again: "There is a Canadian court order that states his actions are in breach of that said order."

Which has what relevance to the trial in Chicago? Why bring this absolutely inapplicable matter up?

"CB is well aware of the American government's investigation at that time."

He is? who says so? His New York lawyers had been advised of an official SEC proceeding but he, himself, did not learn of it until days later.

Jade again: "His sentencing Lawyer states in open court that CB was emotional at that time and hence was not thinking straight, he was unable to understand the gravity of his behaviour? ... It's more than TV logic, it's evidence enough to register a conviction of obstruction!"

What evidence? Are you saying that a lawyer's argument on sentencing is EVIDENCE in the original trial? The jurors would need quite the crystal ball to come to that conclusion.

A lawyer trying to get the best deal he could for his client, argues that, even if you (judge) don't accept that Black did not know of the SEC proceeding, you must accept that this was a difficult time in his life, that he was under tremendous pressure..." etc etc.

Actually, I don't remember Jeffrey Steinback arguing that. He may have. But what I DO remember is that he described Black as a devoted family man and a respected historian.

Steinback also said Black's obstruction of justice conviction was not typical, in that it involved no bribery or any request of another person to remain silent.

Steinback DID tell the court that, in his heart, Black "believed he did nothing wrong" when he took the boxes.

We will see what Frey and Dershowitz come up in their brief to the appeal court on the obstruction charge. I think they are going to argue that the USDJ stepped on Black's constitutional rights.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.

Lit 200 said:

"Steinback DID tell the court that, in his heart, Black "believed he did nothing wrong" when he took the boxes."

Hey, there are men who have sex with their children who believe "they did nothing wrong". Nope. Not a defense.

And concerneing this: "Steinback also said Black's obstruction of justice conviction was not typical, in that it involved no bribery or any request of another person to remain silent."

There was no need to bribe anyone because it was a "Do It Yourself" job. Grasping at straws this is.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.

i just raised important questions on the previous thread and then realized this is where the party is.
so here goes. fickton won't mind my re-posting. he wants to be more famous than BBC

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leaf January 9, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.
Fintan September 13, 2007 at 5:08 p.m.

Countdown: 77 days to the hoosegow!

Bubba September 14, 2007 at 3:41 p.m.

76 days to go an' i'm gittin' a real big boner.

Fintan September 19, 2007 at 2:54 a.m.

Only 72 days to go and he'll really understand how hardball his perfect society is when he starts telling a disinterested Bubba how innocent he (the British Lard) really is and how soon he'll be making a comeback.

Fintan October 13, 2007 at 2:37 a.m.

48 days of squirming to go, and then years after that.

haithabu September 14, 2007 at 5:22 p.m.

Fintan:
Pickton is non compos mentis.
Just like Bubba.
We can't see who Bubba is, but it sounds like your voice.

haithabu September 14, 2007 at 4:27 p.m.

I've always wondered if Fintan fancied Black.

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a little test for the good in math but stupid in ethics : after how many days of counting did fickton/bubba have to start counting all over again?

leaf January 9, 2008 at 2:12 p.m.
other question (for fickton): what happened to bubba's big boner after the lil lady judge, unknowingly, condemned it to deal with itself until further notice?
did it turn blue and explode in fickton's hand?

yup... a daily event, isn't it fickton? must hurt. who cares.

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay!

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.

To lit200 -

Am not ignoring your remarks re the obst. justice conviction / appeal - just very busy with paperwork - will try to respond later ( see previous thread re your question to me prior to going to sleep last night ) However, I must tell you that I am really tired of going over this charge again and again - despite your remarks to contrary, video was not prosecutorial overreach or prejudicial - it was clear evidence - Black was or should have been aware of pending SEC and other legal proceedings - his protestations to contrary or pleading ignorance do want wash, esp. ignorance......

leaf January 9, 2008 at 2:39 p.m.

"He is simply a human being who repented." - our very own famous criminal, undeniably proven repeat offender.

unlike you, a human shameless bigot, who never repented and never will.
shut up already!

leaf January 9, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.

"Hey, there are men who have sex with their children who believe "they did nothing wrong". Nope. Not a defense." - the fruit salad mixing famous blond

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like fickton compares Black to hitler or osama, blondie uses incestuous men to make a point.

wow. convincing argument.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.

Lit 200 said:

"Steinback DID tell the court that, in his heart, Black "believed he did nothing wrong" when he took the boxes."

Hey, there are men who have sex with their children who believe "they did nothing wrong". Nope. Not a defense.

Brother! To prove obstruction there has to be criminal intent... oh forget it. Would you do me a favour and not respond to my posts? I mean you just mire yourself deeper and deeper into irrelevance.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.
Hey, there are men who have sex with their children who believe "they did nothing wrong". Nope. Not a defense.

Good analogy, BBC. I agree. Believing you did nothing wrong is no a defense just as pleading ignorance before the law wont wash.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.
To prove obstruction there has to be criminal intent...

OK then prove there wasn't. ( criminal intent ) Unbelievable already - let it go, gor pete's sake....*sigh*

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 3:05 p.m.

*for * not gor

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 3:07 p.m.

And don't give us the " innocent until proven guilty " defense - the video proved guilt / intent. Accept it and move on.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.

when will YOU move on sandy? aren't you happy with the verdict? what else you want?

Criminal intent January 9, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.

And don't give us the " innocent until proven guilty " defense - the video proved guilt / intent. Accept it and move on.

1) Black being caught on tape proves there was no criminal intent, he could have taken out any documents over the course of the 2 years prior that the investigation was going on.

2) there was no SEC order at the time the boxes were removed another reason that there was no crime committed and Black has been unjustly convicted of this so called "crime"

Fintan January 9, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.

This is a repost, but I'm sure some who are recent arrivals on the blog will appreciate such beautiful satire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZVMYRag...

Oh what a fool His Lardship is! What a monumental pit of sh1t he has built for himself, and now as the days and hours to March 3 roll by and he slides ever closer to the edge, he must surely be starting to wonder whether he shouldn't have been a realist like Radler.

I can't see that holding the hearing when he is in the slammer is a violation of his human rights. Leave it to his legal team; after all, he didn't contribute a lot inside the courtroom at his criminal trial in Chicago.

And, if the US prison authorities facilitate it, can't he participate by means of videolinks and Long Pens? Like he did with that transatlantic book signing thing after his conviction and the confiscation of his passport.

I hope they make him pay back millions.

Cowboy K January 9, 2008 at 3:25 p.m.

Oh what a fool His Lardship is! Fintan

conrad Black accomplishes more in a week than you'll ever do in your pitiful life, all you do is whack off to your hate posts. Conrad Black is a somebody who built a media empire, you are a total nobody who sponges of Blacks fame.
Get a life, Black's name get's ink, his name is bankable and he'll be back in business making millions again, guaranteed.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 3:29 p.m.

This is getting silly:

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.
To prove obstruction there has to be criminal intent...

Sandy: OK then prove there wasn't. ( criminal intent ) Unbelievable already - let it go, gor pete's sake....*sigh*

Defendants at criminal trial do NOT have to prove anything.
I agree ~~~sighhhhh~~~~

Cowboy K January 9, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

q: for all those who think that Black will get screwed in civil court ask yourself this, without big government there to threaten witnesses how will Sun Times the SEC or anyone else get any witnesses to show up without the threat of criminal action? they'll have no audit committee, they'll have no Radler and they'll have no buyers, and the racketeering was thrown out which is what most of the civil cases are based on. Further the companies that are suing him can barely afford Lawyers as they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Lastly Frey and Dershowitz will certainly claw a lot back on appeal.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 3:39 p.m.

This has been a very unproductive discussion and I will not comment on it any further right now, except to say this:

If Conrad Black, in removing his personal effects from his former office, as he was requested to do after being fired by Hollinger, can be usefully compared to an incestuous father raping his daughter... well Barb and Sandy, we just don't have the slightest basis for a discussion.

Sorry.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 3:44 p.m.

Cowboy: a breath of fresh air! I too think the ABB, especially Fintan and Roger, are out to lunch thinking that Black will be automatically shelled out by his adversaries. I doubt very much that will happen.

Fintan January 9, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

Yikes, I just read that Morticia has three dogs!!! Yet she defends the football player Michael Vicks, who was convicted of offences involving unspeakable cruelty to dogs. The swine is now serving a 23-month sentence, the result of a plea bargain, and I hope he soon meets someone with a shiv who loves dogs.

It seems Vicks' working class origins excuse him in Morticia's eyes. I suppose, she probably reckons, you can't expect better of "little people", and the the animals he tortured and beat to death were only working-class dogs too, not of the better status that belonging to Morticia automatically gives an animal. Rights are good, just as long as they are not shared around outside exclusive circles.

But what with her venomous outbursts and all that, I'd sure hate to be in one of her dog's position if it ever chews up he Manolo Blackass shoes.

Indian K January 9, 2008 at 3:49 p.m.

"for all those who think that Black will get screwed in civil court"

now that the hearing has been postponed, he'll probably get screwed in another place and another way long before the OSC deals with his case

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 3:50 p.m.

Lit 200: info

"Obstruction of Justice"

"Under 18 U.S.C. § 1519, any person who falsifies documents with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation of any matter within the jurisdiction of a department of the United State can be fined, imprisoned for 20 years, or both."

http://www.federalcrimesblog.com/labels/...

Since Black had the boxes of documents in his possession for several days after taking them from his office, it's a distinct possibility that he falsified some of the documents. The question of intent hangs in the air. What really makes it look suspicious is that a British Lord hauled his own boxes instead of hiring a lackey.

Cowboy K January 9, 2008 at 3:55 p.m.

Whether or not you have feelings about dogfighting -- and personally I think it vile -- watching the pit-bull tactics of American justice makes dogfights look sedate - Barbara Amiel

It sounds like the the article was an indictment on the USJD not a defense of Vick's dogfighting prowess, but go on with your bad self fintan.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

Oh! Fickton’s clock is losing stamina. Now we’re getting “as the days and hours to March 3 roll by” ….

Imagine fickton: every single day waking up and checking how many more days till, and hoping, wishing with all his might that this next date won’t bring yet another disappointment and be pushed back, again and again.

He doesn’t even have the assurance that march 3 is a sure thing. How nerve wracking that must be for him. hehehe

“I hope they make him pay back millions."

Guess what fickton? Less millions for black means nothing more for you in any case. you’ll still have to make do with that $10 bottle of wine. Forever.

Chilean wine seems like a good bargain at first, but after a while, you get sick of it and you want some real wine. At least I did.

Camerade January 9, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

Barb in BC:
What really makes it look suspicious is that a British Lord hauled his own boxes instead of hiring a lackey.

no if he thought there was something illegal about moving the boxes he would have hired a lackey, stereotypes are dangerous when judging a situation whether it's a poor person living on public housing your judging or a British Lord.

Suzy January 9, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.

It has become evident the pollsters are for sale to the highest bidder. I listened to a pollster called Zogby [or someting like that] on the eve of New Hampshire. This fellow was telling TV viewers that the winner in Iowa had a 13 point lead. The results in and the winner of Iowa lost by 4%. Zogby error is 13% + 4% = 17%. How can a serious pollster err by so much? There is only one answer, he is a bare faced liar on the take.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.

Camerade: I think Black moved those boxes himself for the very good reason that he wanted no witnesses. He was unaware of the hidden camera...

As for "stereotyping" the jury (and I) understand from long experience that rich guys generally hire poor guys to do the heavy lifting.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

Oh hell, I can't resist, Barb goes from quicksand into deep water. Barb, please pay attention... read each word:

your Part one confirms what I have been arguing.

your Part two raises a "distinct possibility" and a "looks suspicious."

Does a "distinct possibility" and "look suspicious", in your mind, meet the requirement of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt?"

And what the hell does "the question of intent hangs in the air" mean?

Fintan January 9, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw.

His Lardship should have borne that in mind when he chose to wrestle with the American justice system.

And the story of His Lardship's life:

"Power does not corrupt men; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power." likewise GBS

leaf January 9, 2008 at 4:13 p.m.

Cowboy K,

I told fickton at the time that he did not understand amiel’s column. That her point escaped him entirely.
Yet, he perseveres in displaying his stupidity on this blog over and over again.

welcome to the asylum. the patients are no big challenge but still fun to dismantle. delightful even.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 4:19 p.m.

Lit200 wastes time berating me for the judgement against Black. Since I'm not the judge and jury, there's little point in that.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 4:22 p.m.

you know how fickton gets to quote george bernard shaw?

think for a moment.....

this is an intelligence test. i will post the answer soon.

Fintan January 9, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

Barbara in BC, your analysis is correct. It must have been the first time for many years that he lifted anything heavier than one of his own books.

The fact that he didn't know the camera had been reactivated was the little thing that often brings a big crook crashing to the ground. The best laid plans of mice and men ...

It was the clincher for the jury. That video footage removed any last doubt that may have lingered in their colletive mind that he is a crook.

When it is time for the karma landslide to begin, it begins.

Morticia was smart enough not to accompany him and help him with the lifting, but I bet she's given him an earful over it.

"Conrad, you f***ing berk, now we'll never have that helicopter!"

leaf January 9, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

blondie, you didn't get it yet?

berating a famous person is fun!

leaf January 9, 2008 at 4:31 p.m.

pssst .... if anyone knows the answer to the fickton quoting GBS, feel free to answer. you have 24 hours.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 4:54 p.m.

In case anyone is interested in reading that Barbara Amiel article: titled "Good luck if you've got nasty underclass tastes"

Basically, it concludes that the lower classes like to see dogs ripped apart in dogfights, and why do snobby people judge them? Leave them their simple pleasures...

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/opinions/a...

jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.

The fact that CB's lawyer at his sentencing hearing did indeed offer up an explanation that his client's "emotional state" is a factor, is a reason, for his breach of a court order, in reality is an admission of guilt.
Most guilty people will play this last "emotional state" card as a defense. I was shocked that an admission of guilt was offered by CB's lawyer, this is worrisome for CB's appeal lawyers no doubt.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 5:30 p.m.

Jade Lee

give me the site, please, where you got that information. Thank you.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 5:32 p.m.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 3:50 p.m.

Since Black had the boxes of documents in his possession for several days after taking them from his office, it's a distinct possibility that he falsified some of the documents. The question of intent hangs in the air. What really makes it look suspicious is that a British Lord hauled his own boxes instead of hiring a lackey.

Thank you!
Here's hoping that our friend lit 200 discovers that there IS life besides Black and thie obstruct justice conviction and that lit 200 finally decides to get one. ( life ). It is almost criminal in and of itself for one supposedly intelligent individual to waste so much of his valuable time arguing a losing cause. One hopes that you spend half as much time with your family. ENOUGH ALREADY!!

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.

Jade Lee... I believe however, that if Black breached anything, it must have been the SEC advisory of an official proceeding, not a court order, and especially not a Canadian court order. Judge St Eve specifically ruled that any Canadian court order could not be considered as an official proceeding by the jurors. I'll give my site for that if you wish.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.

Sandy:

You don't have to respond, you know. Just let it slip on by if you find it tiresome.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 5:46 p.m.

Fintan January 9, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.

The fact that he didn't know the camera had been reactivated was the little thing that often brings a big crook crashing to the ground. The best laid plans of mice and men ...

Absolutely correct - thank you, Fintan. Now, please, can stop beating a dead horse?

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 5:47 p.m.

can *we * stop beating a dead horse? ( this is starting to get to me.....lol )

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 5:48 p.m.

If you want to know what's wrong with Barb's post, read my 4:08... or just forget it.

What would you rather talk about? What a complete crook and swindler Black is, how utterly stupid he is, how poisonous his wife is, how Black is going to be homosexually raped?

Those are some topics that have never been broached on this site or talked about. Right?

leaf January 9, 2008 at 5:49 p.m.

GW September 6, 2007 at 4:51 p.m.

Donna: >>>I only debate with those whom I consider my equals...<<<

Come on now Dunga - what a joke!! Read your own posts --- you spew venom, there is never reasoned argument so get lost

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 5:51 p.m.

Fintan, sometimes you amuse me, and sometimes you annoy me, but right now you are making me laugh. You have Robbie Burns turning over in his grave.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 5:57 p.m.

Lit 200 - please ask yourself a few questions....what was a British Lord and multi millionaire newspaper publisher, etc. doing at the back door of his former office headquarters lugging 13 boxes himself? And what did he do with the contents of these boxes once he had them inside his home? Why didn't this supposedly smart man suddenly become dumb by claiming that he had NO IDEA THAT THESE BOXES OF CONTENTS JUST MIGHT BE NEEDED IN HIS UPCOMING LEGAL PROCEEDINGS? And finally, how come his lawyers did not warn him not to touch anything? This last is moot - they did not really have to - any reasonably intelligent human being would have deduced that you do not remove possible evidence for future legal proceedings.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 5:57 p.m.

Donna September 8, 2007 at 9:57 a.m.

I am simply an ordinary trial watcher, albeit sometimes a bit obsessed

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the trial has been over for months sandy/donna.
how would you describe yourself NOW?

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 5:58 p.m.

damn - why DID this supposedly smart man.....I am losing it..lmao

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 6:08 p.m.

lit 200 - not to prolongue this, but just want to let you know that your unfailing support of Black is admirable and I give you at least much deserved credit for this. Nevertheless, you are fighting a losing battle where Black is concerned....sadly.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 6:13 p.m.

Donna June 11, 2007 at 1:25 p.m.

My final comment on this thread ( I am bored already )
Black might very well get a not guilty verdict

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 6:27 p.m.

BBC - the link you posted re Amiel / Vick highlighted a glaring point for me - re read article and the substitute the arrogant, pompous, preening CB for Michael Vick, especially withing the context of the initial paragraphs. I Thanks for link.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 6:28 p.m.

*then * substitute

just passing thru January 9, 2008 at 6:55 p.m.

this dude calling himself leaf is some sicko...he dont say anything about black and he sure have that guy fintan on the brain....what give? is leaf some escapee from a insane asylum??

leaf January 9, 2008 at 7:01 p.m.

Fintan September 6, 2007 at 3:53 p.m.

leaf, you fool, why would Donna post under another name? She has been the number one on this blog since I discovered it.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

I’m always tickled when I have just the quote I need at the tip of my finger and can manage to post it in a timely fashion.

A good thing I get some satisfaction out of it coz I’m convinced it goes right over the stooges’ heads.

Casanova January 9, 2008 at 7:31 p.m.

My God, Barbara in BC is a butterknifewielding exhibitionist in stilletto heels, black stockings and garter belt who teases innocents with homebaked pies! Under that librarian exterior lurks a smoldering femme fatale who threatens poor leaf and the other woman. Imagine a menage a trois with Kelly and BBC! God, reading the threads here is so exciting I need some nitroglycerine under my tongue.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 7:39 p.m.

Sandy (being very patient, asks)

"Lit 200 - please ask yourself a few questions....what was a British Lord and multi millionaire newspaper publisher, etc. doing at the back door of his former office headquarters lugging 13 boxes himself?"

These were his personal papers (ownership of real estate, private correspondence, artifacts, mementos) and his private secretary had been unable to secure them for him. She called him, told him she was having a problem securing these items so he said to himself, "oh shlt, I better go get them myself, since she can't get them out of the building.' then he said: 'Charles, old boy, let's go by the old office, since we are on the road, and we'll just pick up my personal effects and carry on..."

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.

More from the forensic investigator Sandy:

Lit 200 - please ask yourself a few questions....what did he do with the contents of these boxes once he had them inside his home?

Gosh Sandy I dunno. What do you KNOW he did with them for sure?

Sandy: "why didn't this supposedly smart man suddenly become dumb by claiming that he had NO IDEA THAT THESE BOXES OF CONTENTS JUST MIGHT BE NEEDED IN HIS UPCOMING LEGAL PROCEEDINGS?"

Because they were his PERSONAL EFFECTS, chosen not by him but by his personal sectretary, as I said before? Do you think that might be in the realm of possibility? No?

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 7:47 p.m.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...

Chicago Sun-Times downsizing again:

"Sun-Times Media also has been harmed financially by huge costs associated with the scandal and subsequent fraud convictions of former Chairman and Chief Executive Conrad Black and former Sun-Times Publisher David Radler.

Movie critic Roger Ebert captured the mood in an e-mail response to a Tribune inquiry late last week.

"I hope everyone who is a victim of this triage receives handwritten apologies from Conrad Black and David Radler," Ebert wrote."

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 7:50 p.m.

Sandy

"And finally, how come his lawyers did not warn him not to touch anything? This last is moot [NOW THERE IS A NICE TOUCH... THANK YOU] they did not really have to - any reasonably intelligent human being would have deduced that you do not remove possible evidence [POSSIBLE EVIDENCE? WHERE DO YOU GET THAT? A STATUE OF VENUS, AN OWNERSHIP PAPER, PERSONAL CORRESPONDENCE?] for future legal proceedings.

HIS LAWYERS DID NOT KNOW THAT HE HAD GONE TO PICK UP PERSONAL EFFECTS FROM HIS OFFICE!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to pull a Roger on you here, but this is becoming insane.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 7:55 p.m.

Now THIS is a worthwile post, a little humor folks - good for the soul:

Casanova January 9, 2008 at 7:31 p.m.

My God, Barbara in BC is a butterknifewielding exhibitionist in stilletto heels, black stockings and garter belt who teases innocents with homebaked pies! Under that librarian exterior lurks a smoldering femme fatale who threatens poor leaf and the other woman. Imagine a menage a trois with Kelly and BBC! God, reading the threads here is so exciting I need some nitroglycerine under my tongue.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 8:01 p.m.

Now Lit200 is posting stuff about me under the name Casanova and reacting to her own comment. A sock puppet show! Better than TV and cheaper too!

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 8:04 p.m.

Barb... you are a pure bullshltter. You lie and cast untrue asperstions. Go ahead, the Blog is yours. I can't stand it any more.

Your last defense is that any support for an opinion contrary to yours is voiced by a "sock puppet"

Vile and squalid.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 8:10 p.m.

and most of all, your charges are intellectually bankrupt

faughhh

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 8:15 p.m.

Go then Lit200, and don't waste your writing talent on us. Start that book about the Chicago trial. You know it will sell well.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.

Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 8:04 p.m.

Barb... you are a pure bullshltter. You lie and cast untrue asperstions. Go ahead, the Blog is yours. I can't stand it any more.
Lit 200 January 9, 2008 at 8:10 p.m.

and most of all, your charges are intellectually bankrupt

faughhh

When you realise that your argument does not hold water, you become insulting and rude. I feel sorry for people like you....why not take BBC's suggestion and write a book.....just get a life beyond this blog.....or go visit your grandkids or whatever....

Pakjee January 9, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

The clueless wannabe Barbara in BC parrots Conrad Black who coined the term derogatory term "sock puppet" she is fond of using. Now this idiotic receptionist is a US criminal code expert!! LOL

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 8:59 p.m.

So now your name is Pakjee? Lit 200 here's the scoop:

"The "sock puppet" is a pretty old concept, inherited from Usenet and the BBS world. In that context, it usually applied to situations where a righteously indignant troll becomes frustrated that no one is buying his argument. So Mr. Troll would create one or more alternate identities and begin posting "what a fascinating insight, please go on!" messages to himself.- Roger Benningfield

The first known usage of the term was on July 9, 1993 [1] by Merciful Lee Dickens [2] in a posting to bit.listserv.fnord-l, but was not in common usage in USENET groups until 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_...

jade_lee January 9, 2008 at 9:02 p.m.

CB coined the term sock puppet as a derogatory term?

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 9:05 p.m.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 8:59 p.m.

So now your name is Pakjee? Lit 200 here's the scoop:

Not to jump on the bandwagon but now you have me about to lose it with you, BBC. You came *this* close to having me in your corner than this latest post. I think it's time to get out that butter knife and along with the other needed ingredients, go bake a cake or something.......

leaf January 9, 2008 at 9:15 p.m.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 8:15 p.m.

Go then Lit200, and don't waste your writing talent on us. Start that book about the Chicago trial. You know it will sell well.

---------------------------

You may not know it Lit200, but the celebrity in BC is crushed right now.
Of all posters here, she respects you most.

She likes, as we all know, to ‘appear’ smart and recognizes – let’s give her that - your ability to think and express yourself.
She never misses an occasion to show off but particularly to you.

If my unorthodox way of going through this blog has done anything, it has brought patterns to light. I can tell you that when you show up, the famous one is never far behind to try and impress you with something, anything.

She KNOWS that you and casavona are 2 distinct people.
By the way, hi casavona! I’ve used a lot of your posts to dismantle donna’s logic and persona, among others. Witty and accurate!

Anyway, the famous astrology posting fraud is nothing but a wounded underachiever.
The term was coined by someone else on the blog to describe fickton. It’s a dead on description for both of them and they both know it.

Let them enjoy their chili wine and their cheezburger while hating on CB and BA for sipping champagne and sharing lobster and caviar with friends.

charlie January 9, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

Lit 200 says "these were his personal papers(ownership of real estate, private correspondance,artifacts, mementoes) referring to why CB was justified in removing the 13 boxes. Hmmm- I can see if someone lived in a tiny one room flat they might need to store personal effects at their workplace. But doesn't CB have several enormous residences-surely with enough room to hold 13 cartons of purely personal effects-and then with a few thousand cubic metres of space to spare? My own experience has always been to keep personal things under my own control at home and leave work-related documents at work.

Maleman January 9, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

I don't care what any of you nobodies say, Barb in BC is hot and smart too.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 10:12 p.m.

she's hot coz she's got too much weight to lug around

Maleman January 9, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.

Barb in BC is a babe. eat your heart out leafy

jab3 January 9, 2008 at 10:21 p.m.

The boxes apparently contained documents related to Black's business dealings, as well as some personal effects. Earlier arguments alleging that taking the boxes wasn't obstruction have claimed that it wasn't because Black understood that the authorities already had copies of the business-related documents. Now, in Lit's current arguments, the already copied documents have disappeared and only the personal effects remain.

charlie January 9, 2008 at 10:23 p.m.

Fintan-did you ever get an answer re "tumescent legislation" (i.e.boner law)from previous thread? There was a British Prime Minister, Arthur Bonar Law, born in New Brunswick, Canada (early 20th century) and possibly there are towns or schools or parks named after him in that province. Still drawing blanks on Purvess St.....

leaf January 9, 2008 at 10:27 p.m.

everybody's a babe when you're not selective and fussy. specially for a maleman.

Sandy January 9, 2008 at 10:37 p.m.

charlie January 9, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

Lit 200 says "these were his personal papers(ownership of real estate, private correspondance,artifacts, mementoes) referring to why CB was justified in removing the 13 boxes. Hmmm- I can see if someone lived in a tiny one room flat they might need to store personal effects at their workplace. But doesn't CB have several enormous residences-surely with enough room to hold 13 cartons of purely personal effects-and then with a few thousand cubic metres of space to spare? My own experience has always been to keep personal things under my own control at home and leave work-related documents at work.

Excellent point. The entire obstruct justice conviction is airtight and as such, no appeal will be won on this conviction. Lit 200's arguments become more and more ludicrous and depserate the longer he holds onto his refusal to admit that Black is indeed guilty.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 10:49 p.m.

How many hot celebrities dick around on the net, from work, and try to find some outdated horoscope that would illustrate the sad destiny of… let’s say Barbara amiel?

Just one!
And she’s been religiously posting her useless wiki trivia right here on this blog for centuries!

If that won’t make her famous, what will?

Melanie January 9, 2008 at 10:54 p.m.

The Commons Ethics committee is a work again. The ethics sages members of parliamnet are demanding more paperwork from the man wanted for fraud, emmbezzelment, bribery, and so on. This man of integrity is to help the committee to
establish the truth. It has been shown in December that
the arms-dealer and pizza promoter has committed perjury
while testifing under oath.

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 10:54 p.m.

Just had a look at information on Bonar Law who I had never heard of before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bona...

Not only was he the only Prime Minister to be born outside the country (and the one with the shortest term in office) but these quotes caught my attention:

"Law's closest associate was his fellow Canadian (and New Brunswicker), newspaper mogul William Maxwell Aitken (later Lord Beaverbrook). (An earlier version of Conrad Black!)

"Lloyd George and his chief cronies Birkenhead and Winston Churchill (still distrusted by many Conservatives) wished to use armed force against Turkey (the Chanak Crisis), but had to back down when offered support only by New Zealand, but not Canada, Australia or South Africa; an anonymous letter appeared in "The Times" supporting the government but stating that Britain could not "act as the policeman for the world", and it was an open secret that the author, "A Colonial", was in fact Bonar Law."(an earlier version of the American incursion into Iraq!)

Live and learn...

leaf January 9, 2008 at 11:02 p.m.

hehe... what did i tell you?!!!
more trivia from sherlock!

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 11:09 p.m.

As Max Beaverbrook could be seen as an earlier version of Conrad Black, I find this very funny:

H.G. Wells about Lord Beaverbrook: "If ever Max ever gets to Heaven, he won't last long. He will be chucked out for trying to pull off a merger between Heaven and Hell after having secured a controlling interest in key subsidiary companies in both places, of course."

Pakjee January 9, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.

Spare us woman - answer the phone - aaaaaaggggghhhhhh

leaf January 9, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.

what i think conrad black would find very funny is this 54 yo woman, receptionist by trade, obsessed with him and posting about him for nearly a year.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.

lol pakjee

jab3 January 9, 2008 at 11:21 p.m.

This is from the Judge St. Eve's opinion refusing acquittal or a new trial on most of the guilty verdicts.

According to her reading of the law, Black could be found guilty of obstruction if 1. it was reasonable to find that he he was attempting to conceal the documents that were eventually retrieved AND 2. it was reasonable to conclude that Black knew about the SEC investigation and/or the grand jury investigation when he removed those documents, even absent knowledge of any specfic order not to take the documents.
I take it that Amy St. Eve probably knows American law, and the facts of what was in those boxes, better than Lit 200.

"Defendant Black was convicted of concealing documents from an official proceeding, in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(1), as charged in Count Thirteen of the Information. In order to
find him guilty, the jury had to find that the government had proven beyond a reasonable doubt
that Defendant Black corruptly concealed, or attempted to conceal, records, documents, or other
objects, with the intent to impair the availability of the records, documents, or other objects in an
official proceeding. 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(1). Viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to
the government, the government introduced sufficient evidence from which a rational trier of
Case 1:05-cr-00727 Document 929 Filed 11/05/2007 Page 25 of 39
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fact could find Defendant Black guilty of this charge beyond a reasonable doubt.
Both the investigation by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission
(“SEC”) – a Federal Government agency authorized by law – and the pending federal grand jury
investigation in Chicago constitute “official proceedings” for purposes of Section 1512. The
government introduced evidence that Black had knowledge of the SEC investigation as early as
November 2003 when his attorney sent him a letter from the SEC that the SEC was conducting
an investigation of Hollinger and was seeking documents from Black. (Gov. Ex. Toronto 1.)
Those documents included some of the non-competition agreements at issue in this case. The
government further introduced evidence from which a reasonable juror could have concluded
that Black knew about the federal grand jury investigation given that he had hired attorneys with
extensive criminal experience by the time he removed the documents, and the fact of the
criminal investigation widely known, including by his loyal personal assistant."
. . . .
"Viewing this in
the light most favorable to the government, the evidence more than adequately supports the
jury’s verdict that Black removed these boxes to conceal or to attempt to conceal them with the
intent to impair their availability in the SEC or grand jury proceeding."

crossharbour January 9, 2008 at 11:46 p.m.

leaf January 9, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.

what i think conrad black would find very funny is this 54 yo woman, receptionist by trade, obsessed with him and posting about him for nearly a year.

What do you think Conrad Black would say about some lameass moron called leaf posting mumbo jumbo on a blog about him 24 hours a day?

jab3 January 9, 2008 at 11:47 p.m.

Given St. Eve's opinion above, Barbara in BC's raising 18 U.S.C. § 1519 and developing a rather weak argument based on it seems to be, possibly, irrelevant. (I don't know whether this particular type of obstruction--1519--was alleged by the prosecution.)

Barbara in BC January 9, 2008 at 11:59 p.m.

jab3: Don't worry about my "weak argument", after all I am irrelevant to the case. I found the St. Eve opinion informative though.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:03 a.m.

jab3 would you be so kind to find a document that records what was said about CB with respect to his obstruction conviction by his lawyer upon sentencing? I have not been able to locate anything. I figure you might be able to. If you are lazy like I am not to worry.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 12:04 a.m.

Sandy/Donna said:

"Not to jump on the bandwagon but now you have me about to lose it with you, BBC. You came *this* close to having me in your corner than this latest post."

Oh no! I'm about to be voted off the island!

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

Barbara in BC
Here in Ontario we think people on this blog are strangely jealous of your thinking process. Is it possible that they are from other provinces?

Claire January 10, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.

Osama is toast. The reason for this, is that from now on in the remaining states only democrats can vote democrat. Independents cannot cross over. Osama's bubble has been bursted.
Osama after fudging the polls is to join losers like Biden, Dodd, Edwards,
Richardson, Kuchinchi. Hillary rules.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 12:14 a.m.

Claire: Of course Osama is toast. I'm pretty sure he's dead of a kidney ailment.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:14 a.m.

Do non American citizens have constitutional rights in the USA?
The men locked up in Cuba certainly don't.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:16 a.m.

I could never understand how the Americans could have a military prison in Cuba.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.

Bhutto said to david frost that osama had been murdered and she named the killer.

Sesta January 10, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.

Politico pundits have explained why New Hampshire women did not vote for Obama, coz they thought it was Osama. Silly uneducated-soccer-moms, they couldn't tell the difference between Osama and Obama. Who can blame them, both Osama and Obama are full of hot air. Osama-Obama has been surging so much that he took off as a Goodyear-blimp.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:19 a.m.

Is America about to get two presidents for the price of one?

Pakjee January 10, 2008 at 12:19 a.m.

jade_lee - YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. The problem is she doesn't have a thinking process, spouts absurdities, many others agree, kick her off the island.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:20 a.m.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Pakjee January 10, 2008 at 12:21 a.m.

It's already had 8 years of Billary - 8 more to go

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:21 a.m.

pakjee you don't matter

Pakjee January 10, 2008 at 12:23 a.m.

Go iron my shirt jade_lee

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:23 a.m.

Bill Clinton is a respected statesman who is paid handsomely by people around the world to have dinner with them and talk about the future after republican rule.

leaf January 10, 2008 at 12:24 a.m.

crossharbour.... i wouldn't know how connie might enjoy my variety of remarks, observations, comments and other sleuth work but one thing's for sure: he'd find me damn more competent than your useless 'group' who's been on my tail for over a week, threatening, promising to find me and shut me up, lock me up and throw away the key.

yeah. i think he'd find me way more competent than you.
i'm still posting, aren't i?

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay,

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

lol @ go iron a shirt.....we can iron shirts, change poopy diapers and be presidents of countries now. We are no longer changing, we women have changed. Hillary is respected for being a woman now and not for being a woman trying to emulate a man.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 12:30 a.m.

I wonder what she will wear to the ball?

Hajima January 10, 2008 at 12:31 a.m.

The latest from Sarko. Le Monde, the respected french paper reports that Sarko has been in contact with lord Black. The reason is that Carla told Sarko that "I want the same diamond that Conrad got to Barb for $2.5M." Sarko became irritated and snapped "Carla, don't you know that France is broke". Carla said I don't want France to buy it, I want you
to buy it." Sarko replied: "Carla, I'm a peniless toad, i always spend that money of others, just like lord Crossharbors". Carla added; "I am ashamed of you Sarko, I thought you are my hero." Okey, have it your way I'm going to use the non-competes when buying oil from Kadaffi".

leaf January 10, 2008 at 12:35 a.m.

hajima is someone famous.

Pakjee January 10, 2008 at 12:35 a.m.

And I think that's great for women.

She'll wear something flattering and very expensive. Lighter in color and slimming. I hope Bill makes it, he looks pretty rough and a shadow of his former self.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 12:41 a.m.

About the prison in Cuba jade_lee, I believe it's a way of evading the Geneva Conventions by placing suspected terrorists there. It's not exactly Cuba and not exactly America: I guess you could call it Limbo.

As for the array of guest posters who keep popping up and confusing the respected Barack Obama with the malign Osama bin Laden: WE GET IT. They are both dark skinned men and their names sound similar. It's not witty. It's racist.

jab3 January 10, 2008 at 12:53 a.m.

jab3: "Given St. Eve's opinion above, Barbara in BC's raising 18 U.S.C. § 1519 and developing a rather weak argument based on it seems to be, possibly, irrelevant."

Sorry about the bad grammar and the resultant ambiguity in that sentence, Barbara in B.C. I did not mean you were irrelevant.

I myself raised an issue a couple of threads back, which, on looking more closely at the case, I had to admit was irrelevant to the charges (and probably mistaken too).

Elvira January 10, 2008 at 1:02 a.m.

The most important democratic debate occured on Sunday evening where Osama demanded that Hillary "iron his shirt" and told her that she was "also liked." New Hampshire women felt denigrated by Osama and rushed to vote for Clinton next day.

jade_lee January 10, 2008 at 1:12 a.m.

Apparently you have no fashion sense pakjee, pity.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 1:16 a.m.

Understood jab3. I don't claim to have expert legal knowledge anyway.

crossharbour January 10, 2008 at 1:20 a.m.

You are pretty confident, huh leaf, that you won't get caught. Don't bet on it, loser. You think cos you're still on this blog that nothing is getting done behind the scenes. Think again, you moron, paedophile and sicko stalker. The law is on my side, not yours, you creepy idiot. I will have the last laugh. When, bthe way, was the last time you took a shower? Lemme tell you something, creepo, everytime I read one of your posts, I need a shower.

leaf January 10, 2008 at 1:51 a.m.

Waiting for you to ID me
Waiting for you to track my ISP
Waiting for you to send the RCMP
Waiting for you to send the paw agency

crossharder... put your money where your mouth is or shut it up!

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 3:40 a.m.

A gloomy morning here, but probably not as gloomy as it is for that execrable pair in Palm Beach.

The highly personal nature of some of the attacks being made by the one or two Black supporters (multiplied by x alternative handles each) makes me increasingly convinced that Morticia is lurking somewhere in the background.

Born into fairly humble circumstances, she (mis)used the physical attraction that she once had (to some) to elevate herself to a position where she could look down her (surgically dimininished) nose at lesser mortals.

Thus Barbara in BC is not evaluated according to the quality of her inputs and insights, but as a "receptionist". And so on, and so on. In the world of Morticia and those who foolishly share her Weltanschauung, only the views of the rich and powerful count. The view of everyone else have to be moulded by the likes of herself and her crooked "proprietor" husband now that, unfortunately, the "small people" have some kind of say in public affairs since we introduced that verging-on-communist thing called democracy.

I wonder how good would Morticia be as a receptionist, having to deal with all kinds of people and situations and yet remain pleasantly representative of her employer? Her people skills are, as we have seen from her "vermin" and "slut" outbursts, not that great.

I predict that when the cell door slams behind His Lardship on what will be my 38th wedding anniversary, we shall hear a Katzenjammer of unprecedented proportions from this sad, twisted personality, who needs counselling and a reality check probably more than anyone else on the planet.

But what professional would attempt the job?

Now I'll check my Yahoo e-mail account (fintan1916@yahoo.co.uk) to see if any more tit-bits of inside info have come in from the people who contacted me after I first posted it.

P.S. Sandy, I'm still following your good advice - one day at a time, as they say.

leaf January 10, 2008 at 4:55 a.m.

You’re right fickton.

I shouldn’t have called BBC a “receptionist”.
That is just low, mean, abject, hateful and contemptible.
I don’t know what came over me.

God knows, I’ve read enough of your posts, you’d think I’d know better by now than to call anyone a “receptionist”

Next time, I will follow your example.

would you mind very much if I plagiarized one of your posts to start off in the right direction?
I know you’ve written tons of flattering posts about Barbara amiel but I’d prefer to make it more personal and use one meant for me.

You wrote it just a few months ago:

“poor leaf, for it even anal rape would be a quantum leap improvement in quality of life.”

So, to make up to BBC for calling her a “receptionist”, and in the hopes that you will appreciate my effort to better myself, here goes:

poor BBC, for it even anal rape would be a quantum leap improvement in quality of life.

I feel better already
BBC, please accept my sincere apology for calling you a “receptionist”,

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 5:44 a.m.

Fewer and fewer pickings to find in the press on the subject of His Lardship, much less Morticia, who probably feels as chipper as Dracula on the sunny morning after the night he drank the blood of a highly inebriated peasant on his way home from a hoedown in Siebenbürgen. It's been fun poking fun at that ridiculous pair ever since Delaware, when Judge Stine rammed a little hole in the dyke and His Lardship failed to realise it was time to stick his finger in it.

Just this bit about Peter Newman http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/s...

How delightful to be able to see mainstream newspapers like the Globe and Mail use phrases like "disgraced newspaper baron Conrad Black" with stencil-like uniformity.

Soon it will be "jailed former press baron" and then nothing, except maybe in the "where are they now" columns. The appeals will register on the pressometer for a day or two, and after that it will be nothing but bits in the gossip columns about Morticia.

Sic transit gloria mundi!

Thanks Barbara in BC for that information about BonAr Law. I've heard of him, of course, but always thought he was Scottish. I heard the name as BonEr Law and just thought it was some kind of redneck place with a quaint name.

There is no comparison between Lord Beaverbrook and His Lardship. Beaverbrook made his money honestly (what he hadn't inherited), served Britain with great distinction during the Second World War and died with his honour and reputation intact.

What a great irony that a newspaper . the Daily Express - of which he was once the "proprietor" (and genuinely at that) claims to have initiated the trail of investigation of Hollinger affairs that ultimately led to His Lardship's final downfall.

Have a nice day receptioning! It may not pay as much as corporate fraud, but I guess the retirement plan is better.

leaf January 10, 2008 at 6:18 a.m.

About my accusing fickton of pedophilia

I did not ‘decide’ to accuse fickton of pedophilia.
a post of his suggested pedophilia.

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Fintan July 12, 2007 at 12:50 p.m.

For the short time that they are young, they need no aids to project their natural beauty, like a nubile sari-clad Tamil girl with neem flowers in her coconut-milk-washed hair.

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nothing wrong with that quote, really.

It’s when you realize that this quote was born in fickton’s head (I googled it: nothing), a recidivist creep, sixty- whatever- he-wants years old… heading to India for several weeks, alone - the wife stays home - ‘on vacation’…..

Read the quote again.

And stay tuned.

I will later post the exchange that confirmed my awkward, unpalatable feeling.

If you can’t wait or if you think that I omit or add things to my quotes, the archives are there for you too.

Googlemaster January 10, 2008 at 7:19 a.m.

(I googled it: nothing) - leaf.

so did i. here is the post in full. conclusive proof of fintan's pedophilia

"Fintan July 12, 2007 at 12:50 p.m.

"Borabora is at it again, eulogising that waste of space Paris Hilton. From her latest column in Macleans: 'Perhaps in dismissing her as worthless we underrate the role of women as decoration...'

"Nothing wrong with a woman looking and dressing well. In this country, we say that dressing well (whether done by women or men) is a form of politeness. But, like every other virtue it can be taken to extremes. Not that Borabora's anti-feminism would be popular here. Women got the vote over a century ago and now hold 10 of the 18 cabinet seats.

"The reality that Borabora ignores, quite willfully, is that the overwhelming majority of women in this world are thankful to have even nearly enough of the essential necessities of life. They toil from an early age to a most likely early death. They cannot do what Borabora recommends, 'project beauty', by means of lavish wardrobes, conspicuous consumption and elaborate and frequent expensive treatments.

"For the short time that they are young, they need no aids to project their natural beauty, like a nubile sari-clad Tamil girl with neem flowers in her coconut-milk-washed hair. Later, they project their beauty and dignity through their sheer courage in coping with life. Those are the kind of women who deserve our respect and to whom we should look up - not androids like Paris Hilton or (fill in your own epithets) like Amiel."

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Borabora is what fintan called Lady Black until his string-pullers told him to change over to Morticia.

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 10:11 a.m.

You begin every day with ever more invective, vilification, scorn and insult of the hapless Blacks.

Perhaps there is someone on this site who doesn't know how much you dislike them and so you find it necessary to broadcast that fact daily. Also you frequently identify any poster of contrary view as being Black's wife, Barbara Amiel. Most odd.

But my point is these are corrosively negative emotions. Aren't you concerned that the power of Karma will notice? Isn't one of the principles of Karma that you get what you give, and that what goes around will eventually come around?

[On the other hand, you at one time were almost alone in the ABB advocating a short prison sentence for Black. As I recall, you changed your mind at some point and said you hoped Judge St Eve would throw the book at him (I think you were irritated by his lack of contrition).]

Perhaps you think you are insulated against the effects of Karma, or perhaps that you are indeed an agent or an instrument of Karma?

Lit 200 January 10, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.

I posted the last message. I meant to write "Fintan" as a salutation, not as my name. So now I have posted on this site under three names, Lit 200, Second Thoughts (for one session) and now, inadvertently, Fintan.

Sorry.

Frustrated in Fl January 10, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.

Please Lit and leaf, can you not grasp that the mud you are throwing at the disgusting creature in Finland - if that is where he or she actually is - merely gives him ammunition to throw back? There is much more to the Fintan persona than meets the eye. When you make such wild accusations about him you only give him a further opportunity to exercise his right of response, always with a spin that causes more hurt to those you claim to be defending.

Sandy January 10, 2008 at 11:04 a.m.

Lit 200 January 10, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.

I posted the last message. I meant to write "Fintan" as a salutation, not as my name. So now I have posted on this site under three names, Lit 200, Second Thoughts (for one session) and now, inadvertently, Fintan.

Sorry.

If this latest post of your isn't some kind of wake up call to you to get a life, then maybe it's time to ask yourself whether or not you have an obssession or whatever. Read a book, go watch some tv, take a walk, go to the gym - get some exercise instead of sitting on that pathetic chair, holed up in some godforsaken room posting to strangers.

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 11:10 a.m.

To Lit 200, you are forgiven. Anyone - even me - could inadvertently write a salutation in the "Your name" box.

Now let's parse your post:

"You begin every day with ever more invective, vilification, scorn and insult of the hapless Blacks."

Hapless Blacks? They seem super-confident that all will be well and then it is clear that a lot of people - from Tom Bower to little ole' me - will be on the receiving end of some mighty hefty lawsuits and various other undesirable consequences. I'll keep on pouring scorn on them until I see at least a recognition that they have done wrong.

"Perhaps there is someone on this site who doesn't know how much you dislike them and so you find it necessary to broadcast that fact daily. Also you frequently identify any poster of contrary view as being Black's wife, Barbara Amiel. Most odd."

Hopefully, new people are joining the site and will continue to do so for a while. Besides, most of what I have written is being selectively quoted by you know who. As for Morticia, I continue to suspect that she is lurking in the background somewhere.

"But my point is these are corrosively negative emotions. Aren't you concerned that the power of Karma will notice? Isn't one of the principles of Karma that you get what you give, and that what goes around will eventually come around?"

I like to think myself as something of a satirist rather than someone consumed by negative emotions. As for karma, I do try to do good in this life. No big-time philanthropist by any means, but I do try.

And I didn't steal millions and pursue a lifestyle of wanton wastefulness and boastful extravagance.

"[On the other hand, you at one time were almost alone in the ABB advocating a short prison sentence for Black. As I recall, you changed your mind at some point and said you hoped Judge St Eve would throw the book at him (I think you were irritated by his lack of contrition).]"

I continue to believe that only people who pose a real threat to the safety of the public should be incarcerated for long periods. I want to see His Lardship get a taste of the hoosegow and hope it would help him straighten himself out. A year or so would do the trick. Only his pompousness and complete inability to admit that he is guilty of even stupidness made me so annoyed with him that I hoped the judge would slap him down and put him right. I'd still advocate letting him out and booting him back to England as soon as the civil suits have been dealt with and as much as possible of the money he stole recovered.

"Perhaps you think you are insulated against the effects of Karma, or perhaps that you are indeed an agent or an instrument of Karma?"

No one is insulated against the effects of karma. And it would be extremely egocentric and presumptuous of me to consider itself its agent. The rebellious investors, Breeden and the prosecution were much more effective agents of karma than I could ever be.

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 11:15 a.m.

Oops, lapsus on my part: "extremely egocentric and presumptuous of me to consider itself its agent" - should be "to consider myself"

Lit 200 January 10, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.

Fintan

(got IDs in the right order this time)

Thank you. I was prepared to give you some counseling had you fallen for the bait of "being an agent of Karma."

I sent you a message some time ago about a slide show of rustic Finland, just as winter was starting (when does that happen in Finland... August? September?), backed up by the chanteuse Enya (sp?) They are spectacular shots, although somewhat digitally enhanced, I thought; put out by a Finn tire manufacturer (Noya?). If you can find those photos, you might enjoy them and I would like to see them again myself.

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Sandy,

Don't worry about me so much!

I may post throughout the day but I rarely stop by for more than a few minutes at a time—including the early morning hours when I arise for a pee break--information I am sure you were dying to know. For the rest, I enjoy the morning sun under the shade of a parasol by the pool where I attend to various legal, investment, chess and artistic pursuits, punctuated by golf now and then, a little sailing, and sundowners almost every evening at a small bar overlooking the harbour. I do live alone as you suggest, but I have visitors who stay with me now and then: I am happy to see them come and equally happy to bid them adieu until the next time.

This could all be poppycock. But I assure, it's not, so stop worrying!

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 12:54 p.m.

Lit 200, ha-ha, I don't go for bait so easily. It's a dividend of age and experience.

I'm afraid I haven't seen the TV commercial to which you refer, but will do a little searching.

The chanteuse is indeed called Enya and I am one of her great admirers, as I am of her sister Moya and her other siblings in the group Clannad. She has a great following in Finland.

Here she is singing an aria from a Balfe opera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnvKPQ26U...

and singing "Silent Night" in her native Gaelic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3uPrJR7...

I don't know why the company didn't choose a Finnish singer.

As far as I know, the only tyre manufacturer in this country is called Nokian http://www.nokiantyres.com/ That is the genitive form of Nokia, of which it was a division until a management buy-out several years ago.

Finally, here's another Finnish video featuring Enya. Warning: this video contains images of blondes, which some on this blog may find offensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTN9uWRZM...
Enough about music. I'll be worse than the Schweyn if I keep on this subject.

Pakjee January 10, 2008 at 1:20 p.m.

jade_lee I agree - but that's not as bad as you having no sense at all. LOL

Sandy January 10, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

Lit 200 January 10, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.
This could all be poppycock. But I assure, it's not, so stop worrying!

Arrrrrggghhhhhh...are you for real?? 1) who cares how you spend your day 2)why would you think I want to know about your sitting by your pool tending to investments, etc? 3) sounds like you lead quite a productive life there.....NOT....lol. Ever go swimming in that harbour? 4)if you do all that you say, how come you find it necessary to post this stuff? To perhaps " protest too much? " as in " methinks he doth protest too much, milady ".5) If you do all that you say, including the chess, where do you find the time to sit on a blog and post all day and all night?...Like I said - arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh..Glad I am me and not you..lol

Fintan January 10, 2008 at 1:39 p.m.

This month's awesome alliteration award must certainly go to the admirable J. Richard Finlay for this phrase "Canada's clueless corporate crime cops".

http://finlayongovernance.com/?p=358

This Guardian article is interesting with regard to the new regime at the Torygraph titles:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jan...

Revealing quote: "What we inherited from the previous ownership was a place preparing for death," Lewis said.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.

Fintan: Good links in the above post. Re: The Telegraph, I hated that the Blacks used their money in an attempt to force their views on the world:

"I was also really quite amazed by the thought that Conrad Black didn't interfere. Last time I read Max Hastings' book it was full of clear evidence of interference on really quite an absurd level. He seemed to spend his life writing memos justifying things."

Glad you found my research helpful about Bonar Law... I was unaware of that Canadian's place in British politics.

Barbara in BC January 10, 2008 at 4:16 p.m.

That quote in my previous post was taken from the link in Fintan's post about the new regime at the "Torygraph".