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The fag-end days for Black et al.

Posted on February 8, 2008 by Douglas Bell

Now are frayed fag-end days for Conrad Black et al. Having decided to roll together their appellate court applications for bail, the Hollinger three are damned with faint praise. The Canadian Press reports:

James Morton, president of the Ontario Bar Association and a criminal lawyer in Toronto, said Thursday the move was uncommon but “good for Black.”

“I think maybe Black is doing it because the other two probably have a stronger appeal, and it may be that Black is trying to somehow bolster his position by being heard at the same time as them,” he said.

Atkinson and Boultbee, he added, “seem to have been less the beneficiaries of the wrongful acts and more the corporate servants.”

“I could see why Black may want to get closer to them, but I can’t see why they’d want to get closer to Black, unless it’s a cost issue.”

“Somehow bolster?” “A cost issue?” The ironies here are leaden to say the least. It’s like the last three men on a sinking ship grabbing hold of the anchor for buoyancy.

But infamy has its rewards. One of the four Warhol portraits of Black sold for better than expected at Christie’s this week. The proceeds went to compensate, at least indirectly, Ravelston’s creditors, thereby easing his Lordship’s “regret” at the price his investors had to pay for his persecution.

Black sells portrait: Source [The Province]
Court says Black and co-defendants can make a joint request for bail: Source [CP]


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Free Association February 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m.

How lovely to see the words "fag" and "Black" in the same sentence!

Alvin February 8, 2008 at 8 p.m.

A 45 page bail application to be filed next week. The 45 pages are needed to explain why the lord and his companions need more than 3 months to pack their belongings. The extension requests another 4 months to pack the luggage. Can any reasonable individual with a regular IQ believe than these three need 7 month to do their packing? This strikes me as a joke. I am not sophisticated so I must be forgiven. Now just be specific here.How many item are there involved in the packing? As far as we know, the jail people are going to supply each of the three the orange uniforms. so as far as clothings the packing time is almost nil. Regarding the personal effects like toothbrush, etc. give it 10 minutes. As far as writing material, books, novels, only a very limited amount if any can be taken to the jail cell. The jail cell as small, so can't take much. Lets given them 20 minutes for the books. With my mediocre mind I come with a max. of one hour needed to pack. Can any of the bloggers reading this estimate think that 7 months is required to the 3 felons to get ready to the big house? The appelate judges know how to add, no amount of math is going to come close to the 7 months. i fear the worst for the 3 felons. The 3 felons remind me of the three mosketeers, with history's irony they were hanged by richelieu.

I. Predict February 8, 2008 at 9:21 p.m.

The lord and his co-convicts are still hoping to win a new trial and feel they should not step a foot into their cells. What are their grounds for the appeal? I have yet to view anything convincing, anything that has not already been dealt with. The appeal will be denied. I am still surprised that they are able to push this appeal through so quickly.

Wedding gift February 8, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.

Cecillia Sarkozy's wedding gift to Carla was the leaking of the email sent to her 8 hours before the wedding by sarko. The email stated: "if you retun to me, I cancel everything."
Sarko's father claims that sarko is his dumbest son. Surely, sending the email was a dumb thing to do. So was giving the same engagement ring to carla, the trip to Petra, the short honeymoon. Sarko believes that marriage is a farce. Carla is a cold, calculating, ambitious girl who uses men, and then drops them. Carla has probably already set a date to end the affair. Cecillia's revange to leak the email to the nouvel-observer is a master stroke. Sarko's lawsuit about it confirms his vulgarity.

Lit 200 February 9, 2008 at 8:32 a.m.

I have no knowledge whether this post was placed by a satarist in the previous thread, or by Roger himself. But it does reveal the same beliefs and thoughts that drive Roger, so I repost it on this thread so that everyone may know where Roger comes from and the opinions he holds about the society he apparently hates but chooses to live in.

ROGER February 8, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.

HAVING LOST ON ALL FRONTS WITH RESPECT TO BLACK'S THIEVERY, LIT WISELY RETREATS TO character assassination and all manner of off-topic posts in which he tries to advance positions he claims I hold. Lit is a baiter of Muslims. Lit wants war with Muslims and will not accept negotiation or dialogue. Lit wants the surrender of Muslims and their acceptance of a new colonial era. Lit is a part of the Black-Perle-Steyn thesis of world affairs, based on force and violence. If Muslims are attacked as a collective, I am knowledgeable in the ways of the West, but know the Muslim heartland first-hand as an insider. If war is forced on Muslims, they will never surrender. If the war drags on for hundreds of years, they will still have the will to fight. Who in the post-modern West has the will to wage war over generations for the purpose of domination and hegemony and resource theft? Will Conrad Black send his sons and daughter to fight his wars in far off lands? Muslims are used to multiculturalism and have made major contributions to the world. See for example the legend of China's great Muslim hero, Zheng He aka Cheng Ho aka Haji Mahmoud Shams, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Ho. Muslims invented much of the modern world. All religions are fairytales, until being a member of one exposes one to scapegoating, villification, baiting & genocide. Is this what Lit supports? Seems like it."

The Chipmunks February 9, 2008 at 12:25 p.m.

We're with you Alvin!

leaf February 9, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.

lit, can i bash muslims too? please, please ...

Nesha February 9, 2008 at 2:05 p.m.

One blogger on this august website claimed that it was good news for the lord that one of his warhals sold for $350K. I begg to differ. The lord agreed to pay the market price for the fourth warhal of himself currently at his mortgaged to the roof inherited toronto house. The lord is going to have to fork-out $350K to keep the warhal. Where is that money going to come from? Let's not forget that he has legal fees to fork-up for the bail-appeal and help out his two partners in distress, and his wages from his columns at the national post are slim. Imagine the vigilance of the Sun-Times board members to determine the origin of the funds.
Brian's brown-envelop saga is child's play compared to wants coming.

Waterhole February 9, 2008 at 2:49 p.m.

Hmmm, a picture of a tomato soup can is worth five times as much as one of the future Bride of Bubba.

Julliette February 9, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.

The editor of the french newspaper L'Nouvel Observateur confirmed that his sources are reliable regarding the email sent by the horny-toad to his ex-wife "if you return to me , I cancel it all" 8 hours before wedding First Lady Bon-Bon. The editor stands by his report. The editor also indicated that the horny-toad has been sending emails to his ex-wife on daily basis according to Spanish newspapers. Aparently, the horny cannot let go of Cecillia his wife for 11 years. The french managed to elect a Britney Spears type of president. Clearly, the toad has been showing personality weaknesses calling into question his qualifications for high office. Sarko has lowered the standing of the French presidency to the level of a bordelo.
If the president is found to be liar, his situation is going to get worse. We see a parallel here with our own lord who has been found carelss with the truth by the jury of his Chicago peers. The reason sarko was forced to sue the newspaper is because he denied having sent the email to Bon-Bon. Carla is a proud woman and she is not going to allow to be humiliated by the toad. Relationship between men and women are tough to handle.

Lit 200 February 9, 2008 at 5:48 p.m.

Arch Bish of Cant recants

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23083487

Just the Facts February 9, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.

Roger asks,

"Who in the post-modern West has the will to wage war over generations for the purpose of domination [of Muslims] and hegemony and resource theft?"

And Lit200 thinks this is an unreasonable question for an immigrant to ask. Just for the record, it isn't.

leaf February 10, 2008 at 3 a.m.

lit 200 feels immigrants like roger should not comment on canadian affairs. does that apply to barbara amiel too?

I don't care February 10, 2008 at 5:38 a.m.

Who cares what the arch bishop has to say? I don't.

leaf February 10, 2008 at 5:43 a.m.

i just farted. it could happen to a bishop.

RENE February 10, 2008 at 6:40 a.m.

Once again I submit that this blog has deteriorated.

It is supposed to be about CONRAD BLACK and the issue now is "Where's the money?"

Those Peeping Toms and Peeping Harriet’s and other low brow National Inquirer readers, who delight in the personal and marital affairs of Government leaders, should remember Pierre Elliot Trudeau's dictum:

“The Government has no business in the bedrooms of the people and the people have no business in the bedrooms of the Government."

As far as the inanities of one particular person here, his postings are of a child, someone who cries out for help and attention.

I suggest, Leaf, a therapist. You have either a substance abuse problem, or a personality disorder.

I personally couldn’t care less which only that you are on this board something that at least Conrad Black in his life was not and that is a crashing bore.

Francine February 10, 2008 at 7:11 a.m.

New cracks in the love affair? First Lady Bon-Bon refused to move in to presidential palace. Carla continues to live in her apartment in Paris with her son Aurelius. Carla is devoting a lot of time to her musical career. It is the horny-toad that goes to her apartment everyday to be with Bon-Bon. According to her mom Maritza, Carla has been concerned about the email sent 8 days prior to her wedding day by the toad to Cecillia his ex-wife. The editor who broke the email-news claims that the horny sends daily love emails to his ex. It is understandable that Bon-Bon is concerned. The triangle Sarko-Carla-Cecillia is similar to the Charles-Diana-the other woman that broke up the royal marriage. Hopefully the love between Sarko and Carla is real and giving them happiness. Pierre did say that the bedroom is privat, but then he took the whole nation on a daily basis to his bedroom affairs with Margaret. During those years there wasn't an hour without some news about Pierre-Margaret cheating on eachother.
On the other hand our lord has had a loving and happy time with his current wife. Even in difficult times they are showing a sincere affection for eachother. Nobody knows where the lord's money is, the concerned blogger should tell us where it is. We all would like to know, especially the Sun-Times board.

RENE February 10, 2008 at 10:11 a.m.

Glad you are titillating yourself with the bedroom comings and goings of heads of state, and the highly profiled. I suppose when you are on meagre rations yourself feasting vicariously on the banquets of others is an alternative.

Pretty sad testimony on your part.

As to your relevant question:

Channel Islands, (Jersey most likely), and Switzerland, possibly Cayman, but more doubtful. Under a series of trust documents and a corporate umbrella, and in the form of securities under nominees in a bank Depositary account.

A difficult onion to peel, but not impossible under new money laundering regulations, and bound authorities in these jurisdictions, now that Black is a convicted felon.

Whatever remaining money is left to the Shareholders pursuing civil suits should be used in investigating any and all paper and electronic trails.

Get the money first.

Odessy February 10, 2008 at noon

Thank you for your info about the funds. Regarding the matter that is of concern to you, I am not alone, little people look at the famous as a mirror to there own insignificant life. My attention up to this point was Britney, Paris and Lindsay, neither holds power. Until Bon-Bon appeared on the scene I have never even read about french presidents. The "chaud lapin" --hot rabbit-- sarko has opened his private life to the world. It is a legitimate subject to read and comment about. If it bothers you, please skip reading my postings. I respect your view and I am sorry to have upset you. Unfortunately the lord issues are at this time repetitive, lets wait for the bail-appeal outcome.

Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 12:20 p.m.

Roger...

"If Muslims are attacked as a collective, I am knowledgeable in the ways of the West, but know the Muslim heartland first-hand as an insider. If war is forced on Muslims, they will never surrender. If the war drags on for hundreds of years, they will still have the will to fight. Who in the post-modern West has the will to wage war over generations for the purpose of domination and hegemony and resource theft? ... Muslims are used to multiculturalism and have made major contributions to the world."

etc. etc.

Muslims are among the bloodiest and most merciless colonizers the world has ever known. I am not an Islamophobe but I detest this aggrandisement, especially when this claimed superiority comes to a green and pleasant place to live like Canada. What is wrong with Canadians wanting to preserve the traditions that have made and are making the country what it is.

If I went to live in an Islamic country I would make every effort not to affront my hosts, or to criticize their way of life.

Roger ignores the Muslim wars of imperialist conquest, which continued for almost 1,500 years against hundreds of nations, over millions of square miles, an area larger than the British Empire at its peak, stretching from southern France to New Guinea.

The Muslim conquerors established a central government, first at Damascus, and then at Baghdad, Cairo, Istanbul. Islamic law was introduced as the senior law. Arabic was introduced as the rulers' language, and the local language frequently disappeared.

At various places and times:

Christians and Jews could not bear arms -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews could not ride horses -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to get permission to build -- Muslims did not;
Christians and Jews had to pay taxes which Muslims did not;
Christians could not proselytize -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to live under the law set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular laws.

So let us not talk of imperial conquest for resources, as though one set of beliefs or lifestyles is better than the other. Generally speaking, Muslim nations today are spectacularly anti civil rights and have no use for the individual rights. And it is not islamaphobic to point this out.

Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.

Conrad Black's funds are sequestered in the UAR, principally Dubai, where the sheiks laugh uproariously at the OECD and any efforts to control or lessen bank secrecy.

Just the Facts February 10, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.

Lit200 claims about that list of historical grievances:

"And it is not islamaphobic to point this out."

It is merely irrelevant on a blog about The Trial of Conrad Black!

question February 10, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

Lit, i'm sure you would agree that every religion and every nation has some shameful example of persecution against minorities in their history. Also every religion and every nation has made some wonderful contributions to human civilization. Now maybe i dont understand your intent, but to me it seems that you are trying to hold roger accountable to for muslim beliefs and practices that you find abhorrent. Roger has said many times that he does not support ANY religion. But Roger has tried to explain certain muslim beliefs on this blog. Surely an explanation of, for example, muslim beliefs about heaven is not the same thing as a defence of those beliefs. How can a non-believer possibly defend muslim beliefs?

Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.

Just the Facts February 10, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.

Lit200 claims about that list of historical grievances:

"And it is not islamaphobic to point this out."

It is merely irrelevant on a blog about The Trial of Conrad Black!

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um hum... check back a few posts and you get this from the bounteous barb in beautiful BC

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Just the Facts February 9, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.

Roger asks,

"Who in the post-modern West has the will to wage war over generations for the purpose of domination [of Muslims] and hegemony and resource theft?"

And Lit200 thinks this is an unreasonable question for an immigrant to ask. Just for the record, it isn't.

Observer February 10, 2008 at 1:08 p.m.

Lit, the ultimate denier of Black's only too obvious guilt, must now see clearly that the crook and thief is only weeks away from the beginning of a jail sentence that will be long and unpleasant. Serves him right!

Now, all credibility with regard to Black having evaporated, Lit falls back on the old mainstay of Steyn and Barbara Amiel - Muslim-bashing. Lit, in common with that despicable duo, is no better than the politicians and media who constantly found some new ways, big and small, to slur Jews in the past - and thereby laid the groundwork for Hitler.

Besides, doesn't it take quite a neck for any Canadian of European origin to go on about immigrants living according to the ways of the countries they migrate to? If the Europeans who first "found" what is today Canada had respected that principle, there would be no Canada today.

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.

I READ BLACK'S COLUMN IN THE NATIONAL PRISON POST OF SATURDAY WITH INTEREST: I liked the part about there being no appetite for voters to support Huckabee because most voters did not want to vote for someone who hunted and ate squirrels roasted on a pop-corn popper! LOL! I am disappointed Huckabee does not appear to be the nominee for the Republicans. Black claims that Dems took money they did not earn!!! LOL! Crook calling the kettle Black! Black also got a plug in for the war effort.

The news out of NATO is that things are desperate and NATO's back has been broken. Heck, I have been saying that for the past 18 months and NATO member state officials finally figure it out now? Even American Chief of War says that now!

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 2:33 p.m.

Lit200: How was Christianity spread? Sartre said in his intro to Fanon's "Wretched of the Earth" that it was by force under colonialism. Desmond Tutu says Euros invited Africans to close their eyes and pray and when they opened their eyes, the Euro Christians had stolen everything, including the land! Gandhiji himself complained about Christian missionaries and their tactics. In the Americas, the victims of Christianity are the Inca, the Aztecs, the Maya, and the residential school victims in Canada, the Beothuk and others, both large and small groups, wiped out by those who carried their Bibles aloft. As for Arabs forcing the Arabic language on peoples, it is an odd and audacious charge for an English speaker to make! LOL! In Algeria, the French outlawed Arabic and imposed the French language, causing lasting damage to Algerian Arabic speakers, who could hardly be understood when Algerians attended international Arabic meetings after the defeat of French colonialism. Arabic was not the language of the Ottoman Turks, who imposed Turkish on many Arabs. Urdu is not an Arabic language. Indeed, Arabic speakers are the minority in the Muslim world, both today and for hundreds of years! More Muslims speak Bengali than speak Arabic! More speak Urdu than Arabic. More speak Malayan than Arabic! Your lies are too numerous to waste time rebutting. Muslims live all over the world and are comfortable with multiculturalism. The Ottoman Turks referred to their empire as the continuation of the Roman Empire, because they were internationalists. The Mughal Empire was a multicultural empire, until the last Emperor Aurangzeb destroyed the empire in a fit of fundamentalism. But Akbar the Great was a great multicultural leader and India's great icons are as much Muslim as they are Hindu or Buddhist. Muslims served in Genghiz Khan Temujin's army and later served in the administration of China. Within Islam, Africans occupied a proud and noble place, with Africa being a centre of learning and culture, as opposed to what European Christians made of Africa.

Lit200, soon America will have an American of Muslim descent as president. Hindu dominated India until recently had a Muslim as president (he was previously India's chief ballistics scientist and head of their missile program). Muslims are everywhere. If you believe Mark Steyn, we will soon outbreed everyone else on earth! LOL! I better get started on building my harem and adjoining nursery!

W. S. Gilbert February 10, 2008 at 2:38 p.m.

(Three cheers for Conrad Black!)

He is an Englishman!
For he himself has said it,
And it's greatly to his credit,
That he is an Englishman!
That he is an Englishman!

For he might have been a Roosian,
A French or Turk or Proosian,
Or perhaps Italian!
Or perhaps Italian!

But in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations,
He remains an Englishman!
He remains an Englishman!

Rossana February 10, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

It seems unlikely that the lords funds are at the Channel Islands or in Switzerland, those places are no longer secure. I would instead agree with the blogger who claims that the lords funds are in the UAE in Dubai. That place is full of money. Halliburton moved its head-office to Dubai. Actually, it doesn't matter to me if the funds are ever found, coz if they are the current board members would take the funds. In as much as shareholders loses, the investment company's managers are paid big bucks to select investment venues, so if they made mistake it's their fault. As an non professional investor I would have never invested in newspapers because I don't believe they have a future.
What hillary said about Bill, applies to Sarko: "he is a hard dog to keep on the porch". The week before the horny-toad met Bon-Bon, he used a french government Jet to fly to Morroco with blond TV-anchor for a weeked. On Christmas eve, the horny-toad arrived unannouced to Carla's apartment in the 16th district of Paris. Sarko forced himself in to the apartment, where Raphael Enthoven, his son Aurelius and Carla were having dinner. He told them to get up and start packing because next day Carla and Sarko are leaving for Egypt. During his visit to Jordan the "chaud lapin" (hot rabbit) borrowed King Abdula's jet to get there and later to fly back to France. After parading himself and his lover in salatious kissing and hugging, the hot-rabbit is suing an editor for publishing his email. Sarko wants 3 years in jail and $70,000 dollars fine from the editor of the Nouvel Observeur.The toad is a total phony. But every man diggs his own grave. Sarko has found his match, Carla is a greater man-eater than the hot-rabbit is a womanizer.

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

WHEN SHAKESPEARE WROTE MERCHANT OF VENICE, Jews were barred from entering England. At various times in the West, Jews were forced into ghettoes, subjected to pogroms and genocides culminating in the Holocaust. Jews and Muslims were subjected to the Inquisition, both in Spain and elsewhere the Euro writ extended. Jews spoke Yiddish and wrote using the Hebrew alphabet because they were not allowed into Euro schools. Until the 1970s or thereabouts, Muslims were banned from Spain--it was illegal to be a Muslim in Spain, or to convert to Islam! In 1950s Canada, McGill University had a quota on the number of Jews they would admit! Jewish clubs in Canada barred Jewish members. Native Peoples in Canada were subjected to even more repressive and racist and vicious treatment. White women who married Chinese men had their marriages annulled and the women placed in prison! Any children were taken as wards of the state! In 1970s Alberta, people were still being sterilized against their will by the state! And then there are Duplessis children in Quebec and that whole sorry mess! Irish immigrants to Canada were met with signs that read well into the 20th c, "No dogs and Irish allowed!" Did I mention how Black people were treated? In the midst of all that, Lit200 trots out her list! Really. Did I mention that apartheid era S Africa was a bastion of the white christian western world in Africa?

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.

SARKOCZY IS HAVING A MID-LIFE CRISIS. What I like about the Euro affairs is that it involves older females, women, and not some young girls. What is also interesting is that it involves women with a few children in tow. Why should romance and fevered infatuation be wasted on the young alone? Of course voters are liable to wonder whether their president is wasting their time on his private affairs at the expense of the affairs of state. In the coming recession, many governments and politicians will be tested as never before. Sarkoczy might regret the time he has wasted on chasing women in public when the ship of state starts to take on water. The reality is that there are not enough jobs in France to go around and young French people are worried about their futures while their president acts the clown. I am sure Amiel regrets she is unable to catch Sarkoczy's eye. Amiel would love to wear her Marie Antoinette outfit to bed in Versailles. She has bedded uglier men.

Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

Observer says:

a neck for any Canadian of European origin to go on about immigrants living according to the ways of the countries they migrate to? If the Europeans who first "found" what is today Canada had respected that principle, there would be no Canada today.

There was no "country" or "nation" as such when the Europeans arrived, there were warring tribes, mostly who held certain lands by virtue of kicking out the previous occupiers. This is a specious argument.

Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.

Roger proves my point.

He believes, as I have said, that Islam is better, greater, more capable, better able to rule, has a more benign history etc and etc ... and backs it up with Wikipedia nonsense.

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 3:17 p.m.

BLACK ENVIES SARKOCZY. Indeed, Black envies anyone who can come and go as they please. Black is in jail already. But Black must envy a man who has the company of females. Soon Black will be in an all-male environment, apart from the female prison guards who will delight in strip searching him. Poor Lord Black. In prison he will be the butt of jokes and ridicule poked by all. Black will try to keep his composure as he is transformed from a lord to an inmate. While Black languishes in jail, Amiel will quickly spend what is left of his money, before the creditors track the money down.

Observer February 10, 2008 at 3:20 p.m.

Lit. There was no "country" or "nation" as such when the Europeans arrived, there were warring tribes, mostly who held certain lands by virtue of kicking out the previous occupiers. This is a specious argument."

Bilge! And typical of the racist mentality that Lit represents. It has always been standard practice for land-grabbers to deny that the people they dispossessed had a culture, a civilization. Thus one of the most sickening examples of white racist savagery, the despicable Ian Smith - who is hopefully now getting a well-deserved roasting in Hell - and his henchmen went so far as to have the ruins of the once magnificent city of Zimbabwe destroyed and obliterated so that they could claim that the "Bleks" were little better than apes.

The fact that Mugabe is nearly as savage as Smith was alters nothing.

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 3:20 p.m.

LIT200 SUPPORTS THE GENOCIDE OF THE NATIVE PEOPLES OF THE AMERICAS AND THE THEFT OF THEIR LANDS! Indeed, Lit200 makes identical claims to that made by White Supremacist apartheid era S Africans as to why they could dispossess the Africans of their lands! Amazing! And Lit thinks she can accuse Muslims of anything! LOL!

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 3:25 p.m.

>>Lit 200 February 10, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

Observer says:

a neck for any Canadian of European origin to go on about immigrants living according to the ways of the countries they migrate to? If the Europeans who first "found" what is today Canada had respected that principle, there would be no Canada today.

There was no "country" or "nation" as such when the Europeans arrived, there were warring tribes, mostly who held certain lands by virtue of kicking out the previous occupiers. This is a specious argument.<<

Funny thing is that the Law Lords of the Privy Council in the UK, the judges of the Canadian Supreme Court and even the US Supreme Court all disagree with Lit200's version of what happened and the applicable law! Lit is like Lord Black--yes, that crooked convicted thief. Black ignored the law and tried to invent his own law. Under Canadian law, title to the land was vested in Native Peoples. The Europeans recognized that in law when they negotiated treaties--treaties are only negotiated between nations, not individuals or corporations! So, Lit is wrong, again.

ROGER February 10, 2008 at 3:31 p.m.

WIKIPEDIA? Apart from the Zheng He link, my knowledge is first hand and from school--I am widely travelled and actually have an education, which is sadly lacking in Lit's sad case of ignorance writ large.

Lit made an outrageous set of claims, including that Arabic was forced on peoples throughout Islam. How did English spread? Or French in Africa and Haiti and Asia? Kissing? Nope. Lit knows nothing of the Dutch in Asia or the French or English or Portuguese or Belgian or Italian or Spanish colonial eras. Otherwise she would not post such drivel.

RENE February 10, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

>>little people look at the famous as a mirror to there own insignificant life<<

Your life is only insignificant if you choose to view it that way.

I assure you, your life is not insignificant.

Perhaps the moment you start taking less interest in the private lives of the 'stars', or the 'rich and famous', and more of an interest in in your own life and its unlimited possibilities, your sense of self esteem will rise and your life will be as glorious and enriched in your eyes as it really is already.

And perhaps the money will not be found, or Amiel will spend what's left -but won't her cash flow for her gargantuan, 'knows no bounds', appetite have to come from somewhere? So how does she get her hands on it?

Amiel is the key as are other possible beneficiaries such as family members.

I suppose the hope is that Black will not ever get his felon's mitts on it.

Dubai maybe. I still think Channel Islands. Black is a traditionalist.

Moderator, please... February 10, 2008 at 4:22 p.m.

The post in which Lit 200 denigrates the aboriginal peoples of Canada should be expunged.

Mirror February 10, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.

Rene: "Your life is only insignificant if you choose to view it that way."

Amen to that. No life is insignificant. It's just a pity that some people are blinded by the likes of Black and his gruesome wife, who long ago lost any real sense of value and wove a cocoon of wealth and influence around themselves, completely isolating themselves from reality. Some of them even go so far as to see that sociopathic and all-round sociopathetic duo as role models of a kind.

Now the great Lord who even now has the temerity to lecture the world about the dangers it faces from liberal, humanistic policies and trends will soon have to worry more about the integrity of his own back passage, whilst his partner in crimes against decency and fairness will have to live with the reality that she is almost universally seen as the old crone who might have tempered a crook's greed and advised him to be more careful, but only exacerbated it by piling her own greed onto the balance.

Both of them are gone for good - and good riddance!

Singing at Windsor February 10, 2008 at 7:53 p.m.

The event to be viewed around the world is to see Carla sing at Windsor Castle to queen Elizabeth after the banquette during the official visit of the president of France to the UK. The First Lady of France with her guittar is to sing the song "My Queen". This media coup by Bon-Bon and Bling-Bling is to fascinate billions around the globe. Not since Jackie Kennedy visited DeGaulle, and Lady Diana visited the White House has an event of this much interest happened. For the peoples of England and France, Bon-Bon is doing a great service of friendship on March 26th. 2008.

Important dates February 10, 2008 at 8:16 p.m.

How time flies. Two weeks tomorrow brings March 3. And then a scant 12 days later, the Ides of March, on March 15.

Heigh ho, heigh ho. Even a lying, cheating, rich man can't stop the days from passing. And you know what Shakespeare said about those nasty Ides of March.

WAG February 10, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

Then the French will be treated to English food! It is bound to end badly, with calls of tarts and trollops and an Anglo-French fist fight and a 100 years war. English corgis will nibble on the French ankles while poodles will sniff.

Poodle lover February 10, 2008 at 8:33 p.m.

Poodles do not sniff. Poodles prance.

leaf February 10, 2008 at 9:39 p.m.

I haven’t written a single post on this thread. The ones that bear my name were written by, as rene pointed out, someone whose childish inanities are a cry out for help and attention.
fake leaf posts should be easy to spot: they are pointless, stupid and terribly juvenile.

For the record, my last post on this board was on February 6, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

I could not believe that the blond gossiper wrote that sarkozy sent an ultimatum SMS to his ex-wife 8 HOURS prior to marrying Carla.
the truth is: the SMS was sent 8 DAYS before the wedding.

That goes to show you how wrong these fanatic antis have their facts wrong…

bloke February 10, 2008 at 9:43 p.m.

Lord Black will offer to mediate the broohaha if the Americans will release him. He will mention that he is bilingual and once dressed up as Cardinal Richelieu and is an expert on Napoleon's defeats. Sarko and Prince Phillip will give the Lord a real good licking and kicking then retire to a spot of cognac. Prince Charles will write poetry to Lady Camilla--recall he once told her he wanted to be a tampon in her service!

bloke February 10, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.

hey leaf, are you a dried up old maid? You never been taken for a ride?

leaf February 10, 2008 at 10:03 p.m.

bloke... the french call blokes: square heads. many don't know why.

reading your posts should give them the beginning of an answer.
you wear the name well...

Joker is Wild February 10, 2008 at 10:26 p.m.

My head is square, because I'm a blokehead.

Honored February 10, 2008 at 11:45 p.m.

I changed the 8 days to 8 hours, to findout if any blogger reads my posting.I wish to thank the astute blogger who noticed the timing difference posted on purpose. At least one blogger read my posting, I feel honored to no end.

leaf February 11, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.

it's her allright!

never admit a mistake and always try to finesse her way out of it.
you have no shame. that's why you feel honored.

Leslie February 11, 2008 at 12:38 a.m.

On Friday evening the 45 page bail-appeal report from the 3 felons was delivered to the Dirksen building downtown chicago. It was received by the appeals court clerk who made three copies of it and handed one copy to each of the sophisticated old cranky appeal benchers. Since time is short, the 3 benchers met at the north Chicago golf course lounge and proceeded to read the report. About page 22, the old benchers fell asleep. A bus-boy woke them up for tee-off time. The threesome while playing golf engaged in commenting about the 45 page report. Particularly about the request for a 7 months time requirement demanded by the 3 felons to pack their belongings. The more they joked about it the more they laughed. By hole 18 they laughed so hard that they cracked their heads. With their head split the benchers were taken to the chicago morgue. Lindsay Lohan doing community work wrapped the bodies and cared for them.
Unfortunately for the 3 felons the appeal was stayed and they must report to the big house by March 3rd.

Just the Facts February 11, 2008 at 12:48 a.m.

leaf makes stupid posts and then blames others for them.

Leaf watcher February 11, 2008 at 1:51 a.m.

bipolar - that's the word that comes to mind where leaf is concerned. her swings are so wild that she actually believes she hasn't written some of the stuff she reads later. leaf needs to open another dossier - on herself, and then hand it over to the police in Botswana or somewhere.

Ghoulish February 11, 2008 at 1:58 a.m.

Good insight into the twisted mind of the first Lady Black in this rather dated article.

http://www.atlanticcallcentres.ca/commen...

wait for it February 11, 2008 at 6:42 a.m.

Any minute now, the demented leaf will be back and going on about "fickton", a fictitious character she has invented and is obsessed with.

Artemiss February 11, 2008 at 6:51 a.m.

I begg to differ. I find Mr Leaf and Mr Lit 200 men of true character. They labor on in the face of adversity. Now that their idol faces the slaughter house, rain or shine they stand by him. They are what people call men for all seasons.

Jack February 11, 2008 at 7:04 a.m.

In an effort to appeal to the conservative base of the GOP, John McCain clarified his position. I'm ready to rule from day one. As soon as entering the white house I am starting world war three. Using the nuclear code --says Mc-- I am bombing Iran with nukes. Only I have experience as a pilot --claims Mc-- I bombed Hanoi's hospitals and killed more children than any. I shall open new jails to accommodate jailed physicians who perform abortions. I shall cut-off all healthcare and place the sick on the sidewalks for better use. New illegal immigrants shall toil in sweat and tears to help supply cheap labor to their masters. Religion and the state shall merge into one solid institution. I'm the true conservative, Huckenbee is an apprentice.

Taken Depiss February 11, 2008 at 7:12 a.m.

Yes, Artemiss, both Lit and leaf deserve Trudl Jung Awards for misplaced loyalty to someone who does not and never did deserve it. But even she changed her views after a spell in prison and time to reflect. That might happen to Lit, but do you really believe there is any hope other than intensive therapy and medication for a fruit-and-nut cake like leaf?

Teach yourself Amielese February 11, 2008 at 7:23 a.m.

For a really good giggle have a look at the first "Lady Black's" latest goo in Macleans. All over the place. But interesting to see some of the euphemisms she comes up with: "If my husband goes away" = "When he goes to prison" and "Starbucks is too ordinary" = "Sorry Babs, I'm afraid I don't want to be seen with you in such a public place."

Exactly three weeks to go before her husband starts paying some of the price for the luxuries she demanded, accepted and enjoyed - and still not a tiny sign that she regrets any of her own actions.

Roll on the civil suits to make that hag learn humility.

McPardon February 11, 2008 at 7:24 a.m.

The lord convinced that his only chance for a pardon is to join Hugo-Chavez and cutting-off the oil supply to the USA. Lord-Chavez as the lord is known in Venezuela plan includes blackmailing the USA by starving the nation from its oil supply. Hugo-Chavez wants Exxxon and Lord-Chavez wants a pardon and a return to his native Quebec. Eddie has already secured an apartment suite for Lord-Chavez adjecent to Karheinza-schribar's suite. The new-Lord-Chavez of Crossharborsi is to engage in promoting a german tank factory financed by canadian taxpayers and sold to McCain, the US supreme war-lord. The tanks to have nuclear armed war-heads. "This will bring peace to the middle-east and respect to the USA world over" stated the lord and McCain.

wave99 February 11, 2008 at 9:41 a.m.

We can rule in the following three for the fake Leaf,Lit posts.

Donna.

BBC.

Fintan.

Most likely ,in my humble opinion, it is Donna.

The point in which those who share her anti Black sentiment drove her off this blog, is likely the time she decided to turn to writing these ill informed poser-posts !

Undoubtedly someone has just cracked completely.

I hope not however.

Ultimately with re to this re-union of the 3 convicted. They simply need something from each other. A marriage of convenience. Simple enough. Not surprising. Pragmatic.

Who knows. If their repsective appeals fail,perhaps one final attempt will be based on the fact that their cases were not looked at quite individually enough.

The author looks at this re-union like the ground has cracked beneath his very feet. Does he truly expect any of them to lack calculation and strategy over personal likes and dislikes ?

Odd if he does. And yet, this presentation...this journalistic slant in this offering suggests we should be shocked.

The fact is, the 2 men have said little about each other.

I would suggest to all 'professional' journalists, take a deep breath, report the Black news. Don't dress or fluff up the content as per the reporting in your old high school newspaper writing days.

Not every contribution need be sensational.

Thanks, Amielese February 11, 2008 at 10:29 a.m.

for the reference to Amiel's Maclean's column. It should probably have been titled: "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me." She sounds resigned to Conrad's upcoming incarceration; all she can think about is how hard things are for her. Conrad may actually be looking forward to getting away from her whining.

Zenochka February 11, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.

At the Louis Vuitton fashion show in Paris (France) in earlier years attended by our lord, was secretly attended last week by the 'chaud-lapin' [hot rabbit]. The horny-toad is searching for 'stacked-shoes' to give him an extra two inches [2"] in soarly needed height. First Lady Bon-Bon is 5'11" high [five feet and eleven inches], but the toad is only 5'4" high. Bon-Bon has given up wearing fashionable high heeled shoes in order to avoid ridiculing the 'chaud-lapin'. The heigh difference is truly embarrasing, when standing side by side, the toad appear to be an old midget.
In order to avoid the public to learn that their president is a pigmmy, french officials carry four inch platforms constantly and place it under the toads feet. Reality is more fun than novels.

Trollmaster February 11, 2008 at 10:33 a.m.

Heeheehee! Wave99, the champion trollmeister with nearly as many aliases as Babs has fingerprints on her butt, now claims to know who is doing the "fake" leaf posts, which are actually real, because leaf is in all likelihood one of wave's many handles. Clear? Ok!

leaf February 11, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

cheers mat, wave 99, i can do my own fake posts. cos i suck

wave February 11, 2008 at 11:26 a.m.

Troll.

Appropriate name it seems.

I know accuracy isn't useful in your world, but even you know that I have made known every 'character' I have used, to be from me.

So,unlike Donna for example, I don't need to hide behind a very thin veil in order to feel secure .

I left out Roger as a possibility. Not because he has not done this type of thing before, but because he is quite obvious when he does it.

leaf February 11, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

wave

you are also leaving out lurker-types who never post under the same name twice.

leaf February 11, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.

all of the posts under my name are fake. i'm real. i'm compiling dossiers on all of you.

Amber February 11, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.

Conrad and his two partners have a real good chance to win the bail-appeal. The appeal judges are sophisticated and learned men, unlike the uneducated jury members and the shallow trial judge. The appeal judges understand that business is complex and that transactions need insight that the ordinary men cannot know. Conrad and his partners are no flight risks and they are of no danger to the community. All three are honorable individuals who would never do anything unlawful. Over 100 letters attesting to the good character of each ot them are on file. All sales have been approved by the board. The 13 boxes contained personal items only and the motive was above board as reflected on the videotape. The prosecutors have been out of control by persuing a vendetta against the wealthy people.

Lit 200 February 11, 2008 at 1:44 p.m.

Roger: My knowledge is first hand and from school--I am widely travelled and actually have an education, which is sadly lacking in Lit's sad case of ignorance writ large."

A truly educated person would feel no need to say this or to cast aspersions. And as for your repeated references to me as a female, it is a puerile attack but please feel free. It doesn't bother me in the least.

My point remains unchallenged: Islam's history of conquest and subjugation is no better than, and in many cases worse than, that of the western colonial powers and the Christian church - and god knows that is bad enough.

Roger seems to want the Islamification of the whole world and is very, very tardy in condemning the bloodthirsty rites of fundamentalist Muslims. Fundamentalist Christians today are a sorry, sorry lot, but to my knowledge they have not yet reached the extremes of bloodthirstiness of their Islamic equivalents.

Criticize the political sleaze of your host country's body politic and politicians all you like and I will agree with most of what you say. But spare a thought for the poor buggers caught in the frenzy of religious fervor in the lands of your upbringing.

If all you can do is criticize me - my person and my intellectual and educational attainments (of which you know absolutely nothing and about which I would never brag), you have a paucity of ammunition in your intellectual arsenal.

Awestruck February 11, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

"Conrad and his two partners have a real good chance to win the bail-appeal. The appeal judges are sophisticated and learned men, unlike the uneducated jury members and the shallow trial judge," writes "Amber".

Get real, Barbara, that kind of snobbish attitude is what got your husband into such deep sh1t in the first place. He stole, he got caught, unfortunately for him it was in a country where they don't do punishment by halves, and he's off to the hoosegow. Live with it!

ignorance = Racism February 11, 2008 at 2:39 p.m.

<<Lit 200 claims: "There was no "country" or "nation" as such when the Europeans arrived">>

wtf?????

Who is this moron ... how ignorant can anyone be?

If Canada is indeed this idiot's "native country", he/she should go back to high school and learn some actual history, not what you learn watching Bonanza.

Browser February 11, 2008 at 3:07 p.m.

Why does the Nazional Post list articles by its convicted felon columnist and then this?

Sorry, this article is no longer available.

Happily, the author will no longer be available in three weeks' time.

ignorance = Racism:

In fact, it could read: ignorance = Racism = nastiness = irresponsibility.

No wonder Lit is so strongly influenced by the "thinking" of the Bride of Blackula! Lit really flatters herself if she thinks she is an intellectual. No demagogue has ever been intellectual.

Thoughtful February 11, 2008 at 3:36 p.m.

Here's a tip for any of the Black sympathizers who are thinking of getting him a "going away" present: spiked running shoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRfBfuGX...

wave99 February 11, 2008 at 3:48 p.m.

Good post Lit.

Calina February 11, 2008 at 3:48 p.m.

I'm heartbroken to learn that lord Black's articles are no longer available at the National Post. What a shame. This great man, ethical, law abaiding, respectful, sincere, compationate, suporter of the arts and health issues has been cut off from expressing his views on mankind. We are all the poorer by losing him. God help us now that we are left at the mercy of this left wing gang of welfare types and hangers-on.

Lit 200 February 11, 2008 at 4:02 p.m.

"Good post Lit."

Thanks wave. You and me always see eye to eye.

leaf February 11, 2008 at 4:11 p.m.

my report is complete. blue pills and yellow, green and black. i'm set. you'll all regret mocking me. i am the stalking avenger. you are all sinners and i have come to cleanse you. heehee

Kalinka February 11, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.

I'm heartbroken to learn that lord Black's articles are no longer available at the National Post. - calina

Actually, they are available, but they expect people to pay to read them - yes, no joking! A crook, liar, disgraced idiot, butt of jokes in at least three countries, big-time loser and chief architect of his own and several others' misfortune still thinks people are interested in his views on the current election campaign in the country that has branded him a felon, will incarcerate him together with some of its own most scummy citizens and, if he is still alive after a bit more than five years, deport him to Britain as a person not considered suitable to live in the United States of America.

What a joke! Just a pity his scumbag wife is not getting locked up as well. But we live in hope.

W. S. Gilbert February 11, 2008 at 4:34 p.m.

Away, Remorse!
Compunction, hence!
Go, Moral Force!
Go, Penitence!
To Virtue's plea a long farewell —
Propriety, I ring your knell!
Come, guiltiness of deadliest hue!
Come, desperate deeds of derring-do!

Henceforth all the crimes that I find in the Times,
I've promised to perpetrate daily;
To-morrow I start with a petrified heart,
On a regular course of Old Bailey.
There's confidence tricking, bad coin, pocket-picking,
And several other disgraces —
There's postage-stamp prigging, and then thimble-rigging,
The three-card delusion at races!
Oh! A baronet's rank is exceedingly nice,
But the title's uncommonly dear at the price!

Ye well-to-do squires, who live in the shires,
Where petty distinctions are vital,
Who found Athenaeums and local museums,
With a view to a baronet's title —
Ye butchers and bakers and candlestick makers
Who sneer at all things that are tradey —
Whose middle-class lives are embarrassed by wives
Who long to parade as "My Lady",
Oh! allow me to offer a word of advice,
The title's uncommonly dear at the price!

Ye supple M.P.'s who go down on your knees,
Your precious identity sinking,
And vote black or white as your leaders indite
(Which saves you the trouble of thinking),
For your country's good fame, her repute, or her shame,
You don't care the snuff of a candle —
But you're paid for your game when you're told that your name
Will be graced by a baronet's handle —
Oh! Allow me to give you a word of advice —
The title's uncommonly dear at the price!

Stacey February 11, 2008 at 4:57 p.m.

What a pitty, the legions of worms clamoring for the lord's head. The worms are mean-hearted, envious, sad, unsuccesful
spinsters living in a basement and reading porn. These creatures have no hope but to harm the great of this world. Their task is to tear down the achievements of the successful. These anti-Blacks are monthly waiting for their wellfare cheque and complaining it to be not enough and late. On sunny days they forrage form rubbish container to rubbish container and exchange their plastic bottles for pennies. They rejoyce in the pain of others.

jab3 February 11, 2008 at 11:18 p.m.

Amber alert: Amber opines densely, and with invincible ignorance

"unlike the uneducated jury members and the shallow trial judge. The appeal judges understand that business is complex and that transactions need insight that the ordinary men cannot know." First she's wrong about St. Eve; second, as I've said time and again on this blog, Conrad could have asked for a trial by judge, and would have been accorded with a judge specializing in corporate crime. Conrad apparently wanted a trial be ordinary citizens of Chicago; his supporters could at least stop trashing the jury and acknowledge Con--if he had to be tried at all--got what he wanted.